Ep. 46 | Awakening Collective Consciousness with David Helfrich & Dr Madhava Setty

In this episode, I bring my friends Dr Madhava Setty & David Helfrich again as we hope to make these discussions a regular event.

This one was a lot of fun as we spoke about the themes of the recent solar eclipse and how it can bring about revelation and awakening within collective consciousness – little by little. 

We explore some recent cultural examples of shifts in how we think, relate to, and attune to the world. Examples include subjects around RFK Jr, the JFK assassination, 9/11, and mainstream media.

In the episode:

• We explore the astronomical and astrological significance of the eclipse.
  
• How happenings in the mainstream media world are awakening hosts and audiences.
  
• An examination of perspectives around the upcoming US election. Exploring Trump, Biden and RFK Jr. Including the advocacy groups looking to oust RFK at all costs.
  
• Larger collective themes of awakening and revelation, and what it may mean in the cycle of human consciousness evolution.

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Transcript

Joe Martino: Welcome to another episode of the Collective Evolution podcast here. Having some good friends of the show back on again to have a conversation and hope. We’re kind of hoping we can make this a little bit of a regular thing, but I’m, going to be talking with David Helfrich and Dr. Madhava Setty once again. in this particular discussion we get into a number of things around, the eclipse that we just had, ah, solar eclipse, some of the astrological and astronomical implications of that, as well as just kind of what emerges out of what appears to be a time where humanity’s consciousness, humanity’s way of thinking just continually is changing as, ah, revelations in the realm of politics, in the realm of current events continue to open up our minds and hopefully produce a less rigid human being, but one that is a little more curious, a little more open, a little more heart centered. It’s to talk about a number of different very pertinent events as it relates to this discussion. This will include some discussion around the upcoming U.S. election and the ways in which, These discussions around RFK Jr are making their way into the mainstream and how that’s kind of flipping some perspectives a little bit. And we’ll also get a little bit into some previous historical events and how perspectives are changing on those as new things are being revealed. Without further ado, let’s dive into the episode.

Well, gentlemen, it’s good to have you guys back on. We kind of, we kind of talked about having almost like a monthly chit chat. So this is, this is fun to be, to be back having another talk here.

So, so quick. first off, how you guys doing?

David Helfrich: Doing great, doing great. It’s good to be, good to see you guys. You know, we’re a little late on our monthly pow wow, but here we are. Good to be with you.

Joe Martino: Yeah.

Dr. Madhava Setty: Yeah, I’m, I’m doing all right, you know, got a lot of, a lot of stuff, happening in my world. But this is one of my highlights is to talk to you guys.

David Helfrich: Like what?

Joe Martino: That’s all sounds good. Yeah. All right, so I know we’re coming up this, we’re actually shooting this the day before the eclipse. And I know that, you know, we’ll be releasing it, about 10 days or so after, but you know, we were chatting on Telegram, just going back and forth about all things like we always do. And you know, some interesting stuff came up around the eclipse revelations, things that are changing out there in the world and some interesting stuff happening in current events. And, and we said, hey, let’s jump on

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Joe Martino: and talk about it.

So, Madhava, why don’t you start us off, because I know you were kind of, going over some of the significance from an astronomical and an astrological perspective of the eclipse. And maybe we can use that as a starting point to, unpack some more stuff. So why don’t you dive into that?

Dr. Madhava Setty: Absolutely, yes. for your listeners, tomorrow’s eclipse, April 8th, and I am going to go see it totality, up in probably northern Vermont tomorrow. And I made arrangements to get away from work to go do this. So this is something I’ve been wanting to do for a very long time. And, yeah, as you said, Joe, I wanted to talk about it astrologically and astronomically. Now, astronomically, we know what an eclipse is, a solar eclipse. The moon is getting in the way of the sun. And this obviously happens frequently all over the place in our solar system. You know, we’ve got eight planets and, you know, hundreds of moons. Things are always eclipsing each other, out there. But something is very, very special about the, eclipses, a solar eclipse on the Earth because the relative sizes of the moon and the sun in the sky are almost exactly the same. Which is amazing, right, because we all know the sun is massive and the Moon is relatively tiny, but they’re 400, times, different in their rel, in their distance. And that makes their size in the sky almost exactly the same, which is a remarkable coincidence. And I don’t happen to know if that exists anywhere else in the solar system. It probably does in other solar systems, but this is pretty amazing. And the reason why it’s so cool is that when the Moon moves in front of the sun directly and you have this thing called totality, you then are able to see the Sun’s corona, which, is usually hidden from the Sun’s light. And to be able to see this in our sky, in the middle of the day, I would imagine would be quite stunning. And that’s what people say. And this has been happening, obviously, for time immemorial. And now that we have an understanding of, like, you know, this is a predictable event. It doesn’t necessarily carry all of the gloom and doom that might have been, in people’s minds centuries ago when we didn’t know why this was occurring. So the first thing is this is a remarkable event because of the Earth and, the moon and the Sun. The moon and the sun. Primarily their sizes. We also have to stop and say, boy, it’s pretty incredible that were able to predict this with such uncanny precision. And that also for me is quite, remarkable. And, you know, kudos to all the astronomers out there that have been able to map this time after time again. And the reason beyond the, you know, the beauty that I’m expecting in the sky. Let’s pray for a sunny day in New England, you know, that’s potentially more miraculous than the sun and the Earth, is that I, can understand why, the astrologers put significance on this. You know, it’s not easy to sort of understand how they think about things. But, in 1992, I was up, in the Arctic for seven weeks, on a scientific expedition, and I didn’t see the night sky for 50 days. And that was really jarring. And, I can see how important and significant this kind of event would be in the sky. To be out there in the sun and suddenly it turning into night. And to me this means that we have interrupted this cycle of day and night and day and night that we just take for granted all the time as being immutable, and we throw a wrench in it just for a few minutes. So I think that this is a very, important event astronomically, and astrologically. And, you know, what I’d like to talk to you guys about right now is how is this manifesting, in the collective? You know, we’re approaching it, but it doesn’t necessarily have to happen for those three minutes. It’s like the lead up, the, you know, the lead off.

And, and to close out this little part here, what I’d like to say is the last time that we had a, total solar eclipse in the 40, eight states was in 2017 at the end of August. And I didn’t witness that, but, personally speaking, just a few weeks later, my life completely changed. And it had to do with actually looking into 9, 11 for the first time. And the entire course of my life was, was redirected. And I’m not necessarily saying that, you know, it’s because the Moon influenced the way I thought, which is sometimes a way to dismiss this entire metaphysics behind these kinds

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of events. It’s like, oh, come on. Like, how is something up there going to change the way. I think, I think it’s. It’s more, relevant to consider it that we have. We’re part of a solar system, a conscious solar system that is in its natural course of evolution. And these kinds of celestial events are markers. They’re like a, you know, It’s like clockwork. And something happens discreetly at these times. And, to me, why discount it? Off the. Off the bat?

Joe Martino: Yeah, this idea that we almost get these nudges, if you will, where these conditions are created from a celestial perspective that can create. Because I’ve done a ton of research over the course of time, on the influence of sort of solar radiation, but also, cosmic radiation on human consciousness. And there’s some fascinating, pretty rigorous research out there that show, some interesting relationships specifically between sun cycles and events that happen on the Earth. And this is going back like hundreds of years. So there’s quite a relationship there. And, And I’m saying this from the standpoint of, like, I believe this stuff and I feel this stuff within myself. But for those that are skeptical of this stuff, you know, there is some, stuff out there that kind of supports that. And, the one thing that I’ll say is, just because something is happening out there, I don’t think it definitely means that every single human being on the planet is suddenly going to change. And it also doesn’t mean that this is something out there, is deciding what happens in your life here. It’s more of like a. Conditions like you’re creating these conditions for openings, these conditions for you. Something for us to explore a different direction and that kind of stuff. And so just kind of wanted to put that out there for those that might be skeptical that, you know, it’s not like. Because I find a lot of metaphysical stuff is completely misinterpreted by people. so I thought I’d throw it out there, for those. But, Yeah. David, why don’t you, kick us off what you think?

David Helfrich: Yeah, you know, I think, what I’m pondering as we head into this eclipse is the collective consciousness and how we’re thinking about this as a humanity. I think sometimes the tendency is to wait for these big events to happen because we feel like they’re going to catalyze us into a certain consciousness or a certain type of positioning on the planet. But if we come from the perspective that there’s really no beginning or end of consciousness, then we. There’s nothing to wait for. Because if we’re waiting for something to do it for us or something to catalyze us into any type of position, then we’re taking a passive role. We’re not really active in our own consciousness. Also, what I think is interesting is let’s just say we all agree with the premise that our conscious reality sort of influences the physical reality in some way, meaning how we think about the world does actually effectuate what happens on the planet. I know that’s a controversial topic, but let’s just say for a second that we all agree that more or less that’s taking place. Well, when I’m observing sort of people’s reaction to this eclipse, there is still a lot of apocalyptic consciousness going on. I see a lot of people. People saying, oh, my goodness, these earthquakes hit, you know, Taiwan and New Jersey and New York. And, you know, we’ve got wars going on and people need to run for the hills, essentially, because this is signifying a biblical prophecy that, you know, has been written and foretold. And thus it’s some. There’s some type of calamity that people think is going to take place. And I would offer that. That type of lesson, that type of conscious lesson where we’re kind of peering into the darkness and always thinking in apocalyptic terms, has run its course on Earth in terms of its utility for us. I think we’ve learned what we can learn from that, and now it’s time for us to essentially, I think, take that burden off our back and say, okay, we’ve gone into that consciousness. We’ve seen. And not that things can’t get worse, they certainly can. But if that’s what we’re thinking about when we think about these celestial events that are, as Madhava laid out, are, not only extraordinarily rare, but beautiful just in terms of our ability to be able to experience them while we’re alive in a short span, that we’re here in this body. So I would offer that this is always an opportunity, whether it’s this eclipse or the next one. I think last year there were something like two eclipses per month or something. Now, this is a big one because it’s in full totality. Obviously that’s super rare, but I don’t think it’s the case where it’s, Where it’s so significant that we should expect to wake up Tuesday and all of a sudden feel transformed if we haven’t gone through that process within ourselves.

Joe Martino: Yeah, yeah. And I think. I think too, it’s like, from a standpoint of, you know, kind of the, Every. Every I remember, I think back to, like, you know, all these different celestial events that have occurred over the course of time. And, you know, there’s always this. This idea that something major, something Apocalyptic, something, whatever is going to happen. that has all has often been a discussion, but I think what does continually seem to happen and sort of

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Joe Martino: play into like, I’ll think back and this kind of answers your question more directly. Madhava too. It’s like I’ll think back to the discussion I had with my astrologer, a friend back and I believe it was the tail end of 2019. We were talking about from his perspective, the coming of the age of Aquarius and that discussion and kind of moving into this age. It’s like an entire age where the way that we think about the world, if you know, for a long stretch of time was going to start to change and of course you started to see that as we let into it and then it, you know, it just slowly increases over the course of time and, and he was talking about kind of how there would be all these like opportunities for more and more of the, I guess the. There is no evidence, we’re just kind of existing off of like superstition, that kind of stuff would start to fall away. a lot of the really strong held beliefs about things that even were based on no evidence, but we all collectively believed them would start to crumble and fall away and like we’d have a different attunement to how we looked at the world. And he actually said it would be a more scientific one in a sense of like it would be more based on actually looking at the evidence and not just operating off of what we think is happening or what. and you know, this is always an interesting discussion, but from an intuitive perspective, I think we misinterpret a lot of times what intuition can be like. There’s a lot of different sort of times of intuition and oftentimes I’ll hear people say, oh yeah, you know, my intuition is saying this, but it’s like no, your fear is saying that, it’s not your intuition. Right. And so there’s even I think a clearing up of that to some extent.

But when we’re talking about this, you know, this clips, you know, and listening to what you said, Madhava too about kind of this revelation you were talking about, you changed the way your thinking was around 9 11. And I think, you know, we were talking on Telegram and stuff about you know, just even that CNN interview with rfk and just like you have this discussion of like what I’m seeing happening more and more and more is this, this strongly held sort of mainstream perspective on things, right? Is it’s just more and more crumbling. And I feel like worlds are starting to collide more where some of these independent or alternative sort of perspectives are by nature of it has to happen, are starting to break their way slowly but surely into mainstream discussion about things. And it’s causing people to have to face things that they’ve never heard of before because they were stuck in their own echo chambers, in their own. You know, this is how I think and see the world. And I think it’s causing somewhat of a disruption and shaking up the ways in which that people are thinking about things. And I think that goes along with a lot of these big, huge mainstream media stars, so to speak, venturing out of the mainstream circle, creating their own independent outlets. Right. And suddenly their, their tune changes like overnight. Right. and so, you know, I think that could be an interesting one. I know you guys both watched the RFK piece. I mean even just that, like, what do you guys take from that in terms of how that’s changed the perspective of the way not only those hosts are going to think about it, but their viewers as well?

Dr. Madhava Setty: Well, this is a really important point that you’re bringing up and how we’re examining what’s, what’s occurring. As David said, you know, eclipses and events are thought of as apocalyptic sometimes, in the sense that there’s going to be, everybody’s going to die or there’s going to be some massive transformation. But notice that all the time things are dying and things are being reborn, from cells in our body to the way people think individually. And so when you have individually some kind of awakening, it’s like, holy cow. I’m just looking at everything differently. But when you’re looking at an entire group of people, like 7 billion individuals or 330 million people in this country, it can happen, but it’s not going to happen overnight as you both alluded to. It’s, it’s going to be a, like more and more people will sort of have that aha movement, like holy moly. I, maybe I need to go look at something else. And I’ve been looking at the whole thing wrong. What we see in the CNN thing, for me at least it’s almost an aha moment for me as well because I’ve sort of had this perspective that obviously legacy media is being controlled by their masters, the, you know, whoever’s paying for their ads, and therefore they only talk about certain things. And it’s sort of a top down kind of situation where they control exactly what’s going to be said. But then we had this Aaron Burnett, RFK interview. And to me that was pretty stunning that they gave him a voice in a platform. And the reveal to me here is that it’s not so cut and dry over there at cnn. There are editors, there are journalists that are thinking for themselves and have been sort of lured into this way of thinking and reporting on things, but they still have some independence. Like, you can’t tell me that their managing editor over there didn’t see this coming. Yeah, like, the

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Dr. Madhava Setty: man is an intelligent attorney and is surrounded by scientists and is very articulate. And, you know, how are we supposed to view the fact that they brought him on this platform? Like, was this some sort of, you know, miscalculation by the powers that control cnn? Or are they a amalgamation of different kinds of viewpoints and journalists? And they just sort of, sort of said, yeah, well, we need to start talking about this because it’s a real. And our viewers want to know, you know, how to, quiet, this man who’s taking votes away from our man Joe. That’s Joe Biden. Joe. Not talking about you, by the way. M. So, you know, I still have.

Joe Martino: I still have use of my faculties, mind and voice. I think people figured that one out.

Dr. Madhava Setty: Right?

Joe Martino: That was terrible. Terrible joke.

Dr. Madhava Setty: No, no, no, it was a great job. Very articulate. And you’re not reading from a, from a prompter. But, you know, we can see that CNN is not necessarily, at least what I thought it was as this monolithic. We’re just going to say one thing. They’re kind of, you know, a mishmash of different kinds of opinions. and I think they got caught off guard.

David Helfrich: Yes. And I also think it represents, when we talk about transformation, that can happen in the individual, but it can also even happen at the institutional level. It’s not out of the question that, we could see changes take place even in the most corrupt, rotten aspects of our institutional structure. I think what struck me about the RFK interview with Aaron Burnett, one is she gave him about 25 minutes. It wasn’t just a typical CNN. Hey, let’s bring RFK on. Hey, what do you think? Are you anti vaccine? Okay, let’s go to commercial. You know, it was more. No, let’s go long form. Let’s really hear him out. I think this signifies a couple things. One is that I do think the appetite of the average news consumer is also changing and also becoming hungrier, for truth and hungrier for more authentic content. I mean, all you have to do is look on YouTube, a lot of the independent media creators who are doing well, and a lot of them are not playing the game that mainstream media is playing in terms of, filtering things and keeping the parameter so narrow in terms of what you’re able to talk about that it either puts people to sleep or it just makes people lose faith and trust that this, the media is actually giving them information that is enlightening and, informs them about the world. So I do think that there potentially could be changes. And also, Bassem Youssef was on. Christian Amanpour the other day, another CNN host speaking, about the war in Gaza in very real ways that most CNN audiences, if you’re just listening to cnn, that might be the first time you ever heard that perspective in almost six months. Yeah, likewise, if you’re only a CNN viewer.

Joe Martino: Can you give an example, David, of a couple of the things that he said that kind of. And what the reaction of the host was?

David Helfrich: Well, one thing that really struck me is he said, you know, there is this feeling in the international community that time is up, Israel needs to close this war out. And, I mean, time should have been up a long time ago. But, yeah, Yusuf, was saying something interesting. He was like, watch what happens if the war ends tomorrow. He said, people are going to be like, oh, my goodness, thank you, Israel, for stopping this war, for ending this war. We’re so thankful that you are not killing more Palestinians. Thank you so much. And Christian Amanpour was like. She was struck. She was like, you know, either his sarcasm is very sharp. He’s a comedian and a very smart guy. He was a. I think he was a heart surgeon before, before he turned comedian. But he has this sense of using sarcasm to really drive a point home. And Krishnamapur was like, well, I don’t know what she literally said. I don’t really know how to respond to that. like, as if she, she had never. It was such a good point because it was. I think it was so predictable, right? And it is true. Like, let’s say Netanyahu makes a, A huge announcement tomorrow, you know, during the eclipse. Hey, we’re, you know, the war’s over. People would be like, oh, thank you so much. You know, we’re so happy that we’ve ended this war and found humanity. And Yusuf’s point was there would be no accountability. People would just kind of say, thank you and forget about what happened in Gaza. Let’s move on.

To the next thing. So that, that was just one example. But, but again, if, if you’re really a hardcore CNN viewer and you don’t really consume other media, that may have been the first time you heard this perspective. If you’re not actively curating your own timeline on YouTube and looking to hear diverse points of view on this, likewise, it could have been the first time people had ever heard rfk, in that depth and that detail. And there’s utility in that.

Joe Martino: Right.

David Helfrich: It’s one thing to read an Atlantic video on how RFK is the Democratic MAGA or whatever. It’s another thing to hear him for 25 minutes and say, okay, well I have a better sense of who this guy is and what he represents.

Dr. Madhava Setty: Yeah, I think it’s important to. For the listeners that aren’t

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Dr. Madhava Setty: familiar with this interview with rfk, it’s really worth going back and listening to the full 25 minutes. It’s also interesting to see how it’s being spun post interview. The talking point is RFK says Biden is a bigger threat to democracy than Trump.

Joe Martino: Yeah.

Dr. Madhava Setty: which is supposed to be, you know, inflame the left, the left leaning audience to say, oh my God, it’s crazy. How could, how could Joe Biden, you know, be a bigger threat than that? The orange orangutan over there. And the argument was like very clear. Like the man is using his executive powers to go after the First Amendment. That’s bigger than anything. I mean, I’m sorry, that is absolutely true. If you can’t have the First Amendment, forget about democracy. And what did Aaron have to say that, I mean, she was kind of stunned because you know, she, I don’t think she even could process what he was saying, but went right to. Well, but that means that Trump, that Biden is worse than Trump. I mean, how. That doesn’t fit into my world at all. And you know, the post processing now is happening, which is very fascinating. so I think he attended to himself extremely well. And it’s amazing to me that they didn’t see this coming. This is obvious there are lawsuits out there and that administration is caught up in influencing social media platforms, which is, that’s a no, no people. If you’re Elon Musk or you’re Zuckerberg, you can do whatever you want to with your community standards, but you can’t have the US government telling you what to do. This is huge. And yeah, I really think that most people who watch CNN completely were unaware of what was going on.

David Helfrich: Yeah, and that’s really the gold, I think, in RFK’s messages. He always talks about breaking up the corrupt merger of government power and private power, essentially the collusion that takes place. But I think to punctuate Madhava’s point, particularly in the context of this eclipse, if you think about the journey we’ve been on in the past four years, even went from rfk, somebody like rfk being deplatformed, not even allowed to have an Instagram account, to getting PrimeTime slot on CNN. I mean, that’s an extraordinary stark change in four years. And it could very well signify, sort of hopefully, you know, a relinquishing of an old order that thought to. That really sought, excuse me, to control everything via authoritarianism. And obviously that threat still exists. It’s not gonna. It’s gonna take a while to root that out. But I do think that there’s more of a collective will to ensure that, authoritarianism doesn’t suffocate our discourse in a way that’s very dangerous.

Joe Martino: Yeah, yeah. It’s almost like, you know, funny, David, you brought up the Atlantic. That’s still, you know, part of that comes into my email, and of course, every time I see a headline, I can almost guess right off the hop, like, oh, yeah, this is Tom Nichols, my boy, Right? And, and he’s always, you know, sort of whining about, how bad Trump is and how Biden is, you know, the obvious best choice. But, you know, as we’ve discussed and as you were kind of pointing out about that CNN interview is like, first off, like, I mean, obviously Tom is stuck in an echo chamber to the point where he can’t even imagine an argument that suggests Trump is even, let’s say, even close in terms of worse or better for America. Right. He can’t imagine that because he’s so lost. And, And. And, you know, like you were discussing with the, with the CNN host’s reaction. Oh, I. I had never even considered that perspective. Right. And so now it’s like, there’s almost like we all know. We all know. Like, we can all sit here and say, as if it’s a cultural normal thing to say that, like, oh, yeah, the truth is always somewhere between the middle. It’s a. Ah, yeah. You know, and everybody knows what an echo chamber is, and everybody knows that the world’s not black and white yet. Everybody’s operating it. you know, I should say everybody. It’s a collective generalization that a lot of people are operating as if the world is black and white, they’re operating as if they’re not in an echo chamber. Right. And so I see these moments of kind of what you’re discussing where it’s like, yeah, you know, when you can have a mainstream host or something like that, have to consider something like, man, I had never heard of that. And by nature the audience has to take that in. you know, that creates this little opening and next thing you know, they’re going to be a Tucker Carlson who’s no longer with mainstream media and creating his own thing and suddenly doing something totally different. And I think, you know, is there still room for these people to become, you know, corrupt or, you know. Yes. Is there. Are they going to be giving you the quote, unquote, full truth? No. Are they? You know, but that’s not the point. The point is, is that there’s a, there’s a breaking, there’s a shifting, there’s a moving to this middle, I should say middle point. It’s, I should say more of a. We’re moving to a space where we’re having to be less rigid. And I think that’s, that’s a, that’s a massive part about what

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Joe Martino: creates a rigid society that cannot change. Like we’re seeing today in our world is a rigid collective consciousness, which really is a rigid individual. And part of what’s sticking out to me and listening to this is, is that breaking of rigidity and the individual which produces a breaking of rigidity in the collective consciousness which will hopefully over the course of time.

Dr. Madhava Setty: Right.

Joe Martino: Because if you think of authoritarianism, it’s very rigid. Right. And if we want to root that out, we have to become less rigid as people to create the space for that. and so I think that’s part of what’s playing out here is this breaking of rigidity with more revelation becomes more wisdom. And instead of just pulling on a next worldview that’s like Madhava, you were pointing out, for example, this, this idea that it’s like every aspect of mainstream media is controlled and this, that whatever, or maybe it’s not quite that way, I think is the wiser position to take. And because it’s, it’s true, they’re still humans. Yes, there’s as much power as possible to try and control certain things within these outlets. But, when we don’t take, let’s say the, you know, some folks have the black pilled perspective where it’s like, everything’s theater, everything’s a show, nothing will ever change. These people have ultimate power. Like that sort of doom and gloom perspective. It doesn’t represent the actual reality. And so, again, I’m just kind of alluding to this idea of why is there more flexible sort of perspectives that are permeating the mainstream sort of space?

Dr. Madhava Setty: Absolutely.

I think Erin Burnett opened the door with one of her first questions, which was, Bobby, why are you running? Right.

Joe Martino: He’s like, I’m not.

Dr. Madhava Setty: I’m sitting, yeah, you know, you’re clearly taking votes from Biden and not Trump or, you know, whatever. And his. He responded with this. He said, do you want a quick answer or do you want a more thoughtful answer? And that was. She fell into the trap. She was like, well, I want a more thoughtful answer. And after that, forget about it. She had lost control of this man because he was given the chance to articulate. It’s like, I’m running for president. I don’t care whose votes I’m taking from. And, like, you know, I’m not running to, like, spoil anything. I want to be president. It’s like, what the hell? And how can you possibly think that, I’m taking more from Biden than Trump? And, like, why is that even part of the discussion?

Joe Martino: Yeah.

Dr. Madhava Setty: When I’m leading, you know, in younger voters over both, I have a greater favorability rating over both. And in swing states, I hold a lead in people under 45. I mean, and for you to sit there and think of me as some spoiler candidate, it’s like, no, I have probably the best chance of, winning or beating Trump, depending on how you look at it. I mean, like. So the point here is that, Erin was showing, you know, a. She was relenting in her rigidity, looking for a more thoughtful response and not the black and white. Just give me a, some, some stupid answers that I can move on. so I agree with what you’re saying completely there. We have to become, you know, look, let’s. Collective evolution, for example. You know, I think you’re. Yeah, well, it’s good, you know, you’ve done some good things. But, you know, I would generally think and say, to summarize, the kind of information that you bring to your viewer is about, destroying rigidity, not telling you the way things must be. But notice where you think that you’re so absolutely confident and ask yourself, like, do I really. Can I really justify that level of certainty? because that’s, that’s, that’s the whole. That’s the, that’s the problem that’s the nut to crack is like, you have to let go of your need for certainty before you can get anywhere. Because if you’re certain about something, forget about it. There’s no evolution in your way of thinking.

Joe Martino: Yeah. David, you got a response, or can I throw to a Guardian piece here that I read this morning to add more to this?

let’s go to the Guardian. All right. So I really. Yeah, right.

Dr. Madhava Setty: To the garden. I wanted someone to say Madiba completely hit it out of the park.

Joe Martino: Yeah, that was.

David Helfrich: That was actually. That was actually my way of saying that, hey, you know, Marvel is pretty. Pretty much anything I’ll say will be repetitive.

Joe Martino: Yeah, no, it was. It was well said. It was well said. But the. I was. I was. I was reading this piece this morning. It’s titled He Can Help Trump win US groups take on RFK Jr. After no labels Stands Down. And it’s basically about these advocacy groups that are going after rfk because the idea is that he’s dangerous, right? These are the. Some of the direct quotes use words like, you know, he’s dangerous because he can. He can pull Trump’s or pull votes away from Biden, which will cause Trump to win. So you have the multiple advocacy groups going after rfk, and as I’m reading this, right, you obviously have these very inflamed quotations throughout the article coming

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Joe Martino: from the advocacy groups. But then you also have just, like, the writer and the writer’s own words. The way they’ll define Kennedy is like, Kennedy, an environmental attorney, conspiracy theorist, and member of the famous political family, Right? Like, they’re just. The way they’re framing this. And I’m thinking to myself, like, imagine if every time they wrote about Biden, it was like, you know, Biden, the sitting US President, alleged pedophile and corrupt criminal. Like, you know what I’m saying? Like, imagine they were. They just did that, right? It would totally change people’s perspective. But aside from that, it’s like you’re hearing these groups talk about how, you know, RFK is just a, conspiracy theorist. He has no reason. There’s. There’s no. Like, you can’t talk to him because he’s not a reasonable person. And I’m thinking to myself, like, you have these people that probably have a ton of money behind what they’re doing, unable to see that. I think if anybody sat, sat still, sat sat calm, you know, grounded in themselves, and listened to Trump, Biden, and rfk, I do not see how somebody would think that RFK is less reasonable than those other two guys. Like, he is clearly the most reasonable person out of the three of them. And yet the way they view it is, hold on a second. My team has to win. This guy’s a threat to my team. Right. And we’re just talking about rigidity here. Again, we’re going back to that point of like, these people are so stuck that they can no longer see the world for what it is. They don’t take the time to see the world for what it is. And I think that is really the piece that has to keep breaking. And I think there’s always going to be the group of the collective that, that holds on to that to kind of push and encourage the others forward to, to see how silly that is in a sense. or I should say just more like how unproductive that is. but it’s, it’s, you know, this is the kind of stuff that I’m seeing. I read this piece and it was just like, man, I’m living in a different world than these people.

David Helfrich: Right, right. Well, I mean that’s the intellectual dishonesty that I think is so frustrating that people now are, I think have had their, are up to capacity with it and are ready to move on to something else. Even after the Aaron Burnett interview she had on a bunch of Republican and Democratic operatives who were, particularly the DNC representative was calling RFK the most dangerous, one of the most dangerous people in the world. You know, so, and it’s just, it’s just crazy. But by the way, what you just said about Biden, I mean, you can go on plenty right wing popular stations and they’ll say Biden is, you know, a predator. Biden. The Biden crime family.

Joe Martino: Yes.

David Helfrich: I mean, so they’re going to say all this stuff. They just like they, you know, assassinate Trump on the left. But I agree with you in the sense that. Now, by the way, as you both know, I have serious reservations about RFK because of his position on Gaza and Israel. However, I think when I’m looking at those three, RFK is the only one who has, I think, the internal fortitude and the capacity to actually do something about the corruption in our country. Trump and Biden are just custodians over it. I mean, whether you, whatever you think about both of them, they both had their chance to be president. Both administrations have been riddled with swamp monsters. And actually RFK made that point about Trump appointing John Bolton. There’s no way, there’s no way you can, say that you’re against forever wars and then bring John Bolton in to run your foreign policy as Trump did. so, you know, I think RFK is really the only one capable and the only one with the will, the political will to actually go into the White House and break up the institutional decay that has plagued both Trump and Biden’s administrations.

Dr. Madhava Setty: Yeah, I don’t have anything to add to that. You hit it out of the park, David. He really hit it.

I think that you know, one aspect to Bobby, Bobby’s campaign is that is that he m needs to really capitalize on the fact that neither Trump nor Biden has pardoned Assange and Snowden.

Dr. Madhava Setty: I mean like, forget about, you know, the vaccine environmental stuff and all these other things where he can clearly out distance himself from the other two candidates. It’s like you were there for four years, Don, and talking about how you’re going to drain the swamp and attack the deep state and reveal. And you sat there and you didn’t sign your name onto an executive order pardoning those two patriots. Your whole fucking sorry, your whole argument is sorry is to me pointless. Now you’re just, you’re just speaking and it doesn’t make any sense. And President Biden, you’re doing the same exact thing. Now as Americans and patriots, we should just say that should be enough. We can disagree about Gaza and his support of Israel. You don’t even have to believe, all of his anti vax misinformation. But if you can’t have a government that protects

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Dr. Madhava Setty: those who speak out and call out the government, then you don’t have a democracy anymore.

Joe Martino: But how do we know that this is not evidence of the degree of power though, that sits behind? Because obviously we are all in agreement that you know, a, president can try and shape some of the culture of the government, but really the power exists in the unelected officials that are kind of really, you know, involved in a lot more back there. So you know, for example, just as a devil’s advocate here, it’s like, how do we know that maybe somebody like Trump did want to pardon somebody like Snowden or Assange but couldn’t because other forces were saying no, if you do this, you’re going to lose X Or I feel like that still has to be on the table here from the standpoint of look at the Kennedy assassination, what if he said during that meeting, no, you know what? I’m going to do what I want to do regardless of what you’re telling me, and boom, dude gets dusted. so the question is, how do we know that that’s not at play?

Dr. Madhava Setty: Well, I think it could be at play. I’m sorry to interrupt you, David. I think it could be at play. but too bad for you, 45 and 46, like, you know, you were controlled, and now we’re going to call you out for it. You should have taken the bullet. You should have done what you said. And Bobby is in the unique position of never having, been in the Oval Office. So use that. You know, get in the office, and then, you know, kowtow to the deep state. I don’t know. But, you know, it’s political strategy, people.

Joe Martino: Yeah, yeah.

David Helfrich: And also, you know, think. Think about that admission, what that means if you’re Trump and you say, oh, well, I wanted to do this, but I couldn’t because I was scared that, you know, even though I’m the president, I’m supposed to be the head of the snake, the most powerful person in the world, but I’m scared of what these other people might do to me, so I’m not going to be bold. And actually, RFK addressed this, and he’s addressed this head on when people have asked him, hey, are you afraid that they’re going to do you like your dad and uncle? And he says, no, I’m not. He basically says that the tradition he grew up in, surrounding his family and the moral imperative that I think most of us would ascribe to the Kennedy dynasty rightfully has been one of courage that says, I’m going to do what I think is right for the people and stand up for principles, regardless of the consequences, even if it means an assassination attempt. that’s leadership. That’s somebody who says, hey, I’m not coming here just to be a show pony and kind of do a couple things. I’m actually, coming to make the difficult decisions that. Yeah, maybe we’ll create some animosity from those who don’t want to see me do this. But that’s what leadership requires. And again, I think that’s why Bobby Kennedy, out of these three choices, is the only one capable, and has the political will to do that.

Dr. Madhava Setty: Yeah, look, I mean. Exactly right. He, you know, if you want to really examine this, you know, almost from a biblical perspective, I mean, running for president is probably one of the most dangerous things this man can do as Bobby Kennedy Jr. You know, son of a slain attorney general, you know, nephew of A slain US President standing for those values of cleaning up corruption. And he saw what happened to his uncle and his father, and he’s running anyway. I mean, you must give the man some credit for this. It’s like he knows that this is, you know, this is. They’re coming for him and he doesn’t care. And as David alluded to, I mean, I think he said, look, there’s much worse things than dying. Yeah, let’s be real. powerful statement. Like, I would like to see the other, you know, how the other candidates respond to that.

Joe Martino: Speaking of his uncle’s assassination, I know we were chit chatting a little bit about, some of the latest sort of, examinations of some of the evidence, from, from the shooting. And you know, I know this has to do with, you know, the old, I was thinking about the old magic bullet theory in grade 10. you know, I live in Canada, you guys live in the US So we have a course that you can take, in I think it’s grade 10, where you can do American history. And and I took it, you know, mainly because I needed a history course. No, but the, the JFK assassination is a part of it. And I remember sitting in class very, vividly because I kind of enjoyed the teacher in the class and she kept things kind of exciting. and we go over the magic bullet theory, which is the still standing perspective of how Kennedy was killed by a single bullet through the back of his head and bounced off 18 bazillion things and shot him again and blah, blah, blah. And the entire class thought that this theory, that is the standing, this is how he died, was the most ridiculously bullshit thing. And like, everybody knows this, but if, but it was funny because even back then to consider a different perspective was a conspiracy. That would be. You were a conspiracy theorist to consider a different perspective. Yet everything about the official story was clearly not true. And so with that as a boilerplate, I know you guys,

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Joe Martino: I think both were, I haven’t seen this, but you guys are both chit chatting about, some of that latest evidence. If somebody wants to kind of expand on that a bit.

Dr. Madhava Setty: Kim Iverson brought on this person who wrote a book whose name I can’t remember. And it’s about, a reexamination of the evidence. And the evidence is in the form of radiographs, of x rays of JFK’s skull that have been preserved in the archives. And he did some, an examination of these radiographs like, of the Negatives and demonstrated that for sure these things have been altered to hide, evidence of, other bullets, you know, the shrapnel or the dust that occurs when a bullet, makes contact with the skull and will leave some track marks. And he’s shown definitively that they’ve been altered and like. And the point here is that, you know, this is what I mean by the reveal. Like, is this a reveal Look. Oh, it’s been revealed to us. No, it depends on you personally. Are you going to believe it or not? Like, you have to figure out, is this enough for you to change your mind? So this is why I think it’s interesting, is that it doesn’t matter how much evidence is out there. Like, you as an individual have to decide whether or not you’re going to consider that evidence valid and that evidence invalid. And so this is where we’re at right now. I think what’s curious about what’s happening is that you have a journalist like Kim Iverson, who has a substantial following talking about these things, you know, and it wasn’t so long ago that she had on, my friend Ted Walter, who is the head of some 911 truth organization. Sorry, Ted, I can’t remember what it’s called, but, you know, asking questions about 9 11, like, this is really big and something that I would have never imagined could have happened, the last time we had a solar eclipse.

Joe Martino: Yeah, interestingly. Oh, go ahead, David.

David Helfrich: Please, please, Joe, go ahead.

Joe Martino: I was just going to say, interestingly, when it comes to the topic of 9 11, like, I know people personally who, you know, they’re, they’re, they’re newer to the independent, alternative sphere of, of media, meaning they’re starting to consider alternative sources. And as they’ve heard the reasonable arguments, you know, coming out of these platforms, they’re going, yeah, no, now I don’t know if I really believe what I was told about 9 11, because again, the arguments are so reasonable. and I did have a point, another point I wanted to make about skeptics. But David, why don’t you throw down what you had on that topic?

David Helfrich: Well, just real quick, I was going to bring up the point that the JFK assassination is somewhat of an outlier in sort of American consciousness when it comes to conspiracy, because there’s now a strong majority of Americans who don’t believe the official JFK assassination story told by the government. And the reason why that’s significant is because I think it’s the only event that I can think of, huge event where there is a consensus amongst the people that, yeah, something is wrong here. what we’ve been told is a lie. And also in the aftermath of the JFK assassination, I really think this is a pivotal point in American history because to me, there was a clear takeover. If you want to call it deep State or the deep Intelligence Agency, CIA, Bush Dulles. The Bush Dulles legacy that really took over and took hold of our government following the JFK assassination. And think about what we’ve had since then. Vietnam War debacle, Iraq war debacle. Every, almost every war we’ve entered has been under a false pretense, a lie from the intelligence community. not to mention what happened in the past four years. not to mention our foreign policy all across the world, what we’ve done with the Henry Kissinger legacy. All of this transpired after JFK was assassinated, and it signified a very sharp pivot in United States leadership. and that’s why I also think Bobby’s candidacy is so interesting, because, M, most of us weren’t alive during that time when JFK was assassinated, but we do. And those who are alive have the institutional memory of a different America. But we can actually do our due diligence and look at the historic leadership of leaders like Jack Kennedy, Dwight Eisenhower, fdr. I mean, these were, leaders who draw stark contrast to the leaders that came after jfk. And so it’s something that requires us, I think, to look much deeper and have uncomfortable conversations. 9, 11. Perhaps the most important conversation to have if we want to understand M not just. Not just sort of deep state intelligence agencies in the new century, but really the architecture and the psychology of how the people of the United States have been sort of drawn into acquiescing to this kind of leadership.

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Joe Martino: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dr. Madhava Setty: I mean, look, like you said, David, there aren’t a whole lot of people around anymore that were adults when Jack Kennedy was murdered. You know, we’re all getting older. You know, even Bobby himself was only, I think, seven or eight years old and didn’t really understand, you know, necessarily what was going on. But, you know, we have to stop, like, you know, like the Dulles, Bush legacy that you alluded to. I mean, President Kennedy publicly said that he was, you know, what was it like? He’s going to crush the CIA and scatter its remnants to the winds out there saying that? Who was the head of the CIA? It was Allen Dulles. Who gets appointed head of the Warren Commission? It’s like, isn’t that enough for you to understand that this was all just complete circus. and you know, we could say, you know, the same things about the 911 Commission. You know, we have Philip Zelikow, heading that up, who happens to be also the Commissioner of the COVID 19 investigatory. Whatever, whatever. I mean, like this, the same people keep showing up, they keep doing what they’re supposed to be doing and like when, how long is it going to take?

David Helfrich: Right. And it’s such an important point about who does these investigations. You know, it’s like the police investigating the police when they, you know, have police brutality, it’s like we’re going to look into this or even now, you know, the idf, we’re going to do our own investigation as to what happened with us killing, the world Central KitchenAid workers. We’re going to do our own investigation which is independent, somehow.

Joe Martino: Right.

David Helfrich: So it’s. Yeah, I mean that’s always the telltale sign that it’s a sham investigation and there’s a cover up.

Joe Martino: And speaking of that, I mean just to interject here with the point about the importance of this is because, you know, you have these investigations, you have the who does it and it creates a, standard for what is the story that becomes the bedrock of how we think about that event. And then it is now future evidence that has to be so undeniable in order for everybody to change their minds. And yet we’re going to look at that new evidence with way more rigor than we would have ever looked at the initial bedrock story that was put forth. And so my critique of skeptics is they’re always putting every piece of effort and skill and energy towards debunking any piece of new evidence that comes out about anything, whether it’s vaccines, RFK assassination, 9 11, anything. But not even an ounce of the same amount of effort has gone into challenging the bedrock story to begin with. And I think this is where there’s an issue is that when something becomes the mainstream thought, even the scientific approach is to say, well, it’s going to be extraordinary what you have to bring to overtake what we have, regardless of whether what we have was established in a meaningful way. And of course this is a different conversation when we’re talking about cultural events like 911 and JFK versus when you’re talking about scientific theories that indeed do have a ton of evidence to support them. So not to conflate the two, but when we’re talking about something like a JFK assassination, skeptics should not be holding so aggressively to that initial story. When it comes to 911 skeptics should not be holding so aggressively to that initial story because we don’t have good evidence for what happened. Right. But it should not take so much for us to become open and uncertain about the story. It shouldn’t take such an extreme amount of evidence. and to that point, the implications of overturning the story is not suddenly like the sun won’t rise the next day and we’ll all die as human beings. The implications are a slow cultural change that, is huge, slowly. Do you know what I’m saying?

Dr. Madhava Setty: Yeah. what you’ve just brought up there, I think has some m. Real tie ins with this eclipse.

Joe Martino: Yeah.

Dr. Madhava Setty: In the sense that, you know, you, when we look at these, these professional skeptics that, as you said, have, you know, unbalanced inquiry, let’s say. we also, you know, if you, if they actually took that. What, what’s so funny?

Joe Martino: Every time we have an inside joke that like, nobody else will get, but I get it.

David Helfrich: I love a little plug to. Through the masterclass. I love it.

Dr. Madhava Setty: The master class. Yes, everybody should take the masterclass. Taught by the masters themselves. so what I want to say here is that if we were to actually examine, if we were to examine these skeptics and how they come to their conclusions about what is valid evidence, they would eventually have to

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Dr. Madhava Setty: concede that they categorize evidence based on whether or not there is a, an institution that has brought it forward as opposed to an independent researcher that says, hey, I found something. It’s like, no, we have to be skeptical of this, but there’s no reason for us to be skeptical of the CDC or the 911 Commission. and, and I hope that we can all understand and hopefully this conversation is going to get out there. It’s like, notice what has happened. Someone, somewhere, someplace, somewhen has created these institutions that have served as a surrogate for sense making. They’re really powerful. I mean, like, you have the CDC, which won’t be questioned by 90% of doctors because they’re the CDC. They can say whatever they want to and they can back it up with evidence that doesn’t really make sense. But if you try to challenge it, it’s like, oh, well, you’re not. Do you work for the cdc? You’re not an epidemiologist? I’m going to go with the cdc, which is actually constructed of not a whole lot of true researchers or scientists, a lot of mathematicians, but the point here is that we have these institutions that are now guiding the way we think about things collectively. And we have to be able to understand that if we’re going to take that down, we need to become clear about what we are, being, given as evidence. You know, this is, this is what I think the eclipse is about. It’s like, how are you going to know what evidence is actually valid and what isn’t? How are you going to know without believing somebody else? This is where. This is the key point. This is the weak. The weak link in your understanding of the world is that you are giving your trust over to someone else to tell you what is valid and what isn’t. And as long as you don’t want to do the work and you don’t want to actually question the way you’re looking at things, forget about it. You just go ahead and believe the CDC or the 911 Commission, or the Warren Commission, whatever commission or omission you want to believe, you’re going to have to do it or you’re going to have to do the hard work and look at things openly. And I would suggest another bias that’s always in play here is when you discount a conclusion, discount evidence because of the conclusion that it leads to, you know, you are putting things backwards. You may be right, you may be wrong, but you’re doing it backwards. And that is the largest, impediment that we’re having right now, and it’s being used against us.

David Helfrich: Yeah. 100. It’s the first time I’ve said that.

Joe Martino: 100.

David Helfrich: Proud of myself. But, yeah, this also gets to where we have to reevaluate presumptive legitimacy and who we just defer to and outsource our own critical thinking to, as Madhava’s pointing out. And I do think there is an opportunity now to do that. And I actually agree that if there is sort of an astrological, elemental, principle to this eclipse, it is, I think, people getting more in the driver’s seat of their consciousness and realizing that, yeah, it may not be a comfortable realization that we can’t trust a lot of our institutions, but unfortunately, that’s where we’re at. And once we acknowledge that, then it gets to the point where, okay, well, I actually have to take a more active role in formulating my view of the world. And, it’s healthy. Right? That’s taking responsibility, personal responsibility. And it doesn’t mean, by the way, that there can’t be institutions built on trust at some point. Yeah, it just means, it doesn’t mean we have to be anti every institution ever. It just means that we have to start seeding these institutions, with integrity. And that’s, that’s a long process, but we can’t get there until we actually have an initial realization that we’ve been lied to. There’s this mass deception going on. and you know, hopefully an eclipse can, can be a pivotal point to that. I do think a lot of it is also perspective. For example, you could look at the earthquakes that just happened in Taiwan, New Jersey, New York, with all the aftershakes and say, oh, well, you know, this means we need to just get out of dodge, let’s pack our bags and move to some far away island. Or you could take that and look at, maybe we need to find our grounding. Maybe this is an opportunity to understand that we’ve been maybe shaken off our balance and find our center. So those are two different ways to look at the same event. One is laden with fear, the other is laden with the call towards personal responsibility and action. Right?

Joe Martino: Yeah, yeah. And I think just to, Oh, sorry, I just to add something quick is just to say, like, you know, especially if, you know, the conspirituality guys are somehow watching this. I’m just kidding. But, No, but, you know, it’s just the idea that, oftentimes what you see is, oh, I don’t trust the cdc. Well, everything they say is a lie. Right. And then of course that becomes the moment people start saying that those that you’re trying to open up go, well, obviously everything the CDCD says isn’t a lie. So now you sound like a lunatic. Right. So it’s this idea that it’s like these institutions

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Joe Martino: aren’t necessarily lying to you 100% of the time. It’s just this idea that I think what we’re pointing to here is getting into this space of questioning and being more responsible for how we look at things and not just jumping from, oh, these are the institutions that need to be trusted and everything they say is true to, oh, everything they say is a lie. But getting to that point where it’s. We’re able to kind of look at and better understand what is true and what is a lie or deception or manipulation or part of a political or some sort of game that’s being played to some extent.

I just, I wanted to add that into the picture because it’s so common, in the alternative sphere to just jump from, to the other extreme in a sense.

Dr. Madhava Setty: Yeah, that’s a massive problem. And it’s potentially people who do that are, creating a greater impediment to clarity than those of us who are saying don’t trust the media or don’t trust the cdc. you know, David, you said something really, worth, hitting, upon again, which is we have to trust institutions. Like it doesn’t, you know, we have to. But in order to find an institution you can trust, you have to get rid of the conflict of interest. You have to start there. Like Allen Dulles, Warren Commission conflict of interest, the CDC and big pharmacy conflict of interest. What we need here is a leader that has pinpointed that as being the first problem that must be attacked. I wonder who can do that.

to put it out there, I wanted to say something else about institutions, if I may. And it ties into this whole celestial astrological thing. the other, sort of transition that we’re going through astrologically and astronomically is now Pluto is in Aquarius. And I think we talked about this last time, and the last time this occurred. And this again has to do with a revelation in how we think about science, and information. The last time this happened was at the end of the, 18th century, which saw the French and American Revolution and the introduction of vaccines, against smallpox back then. And now here we are 240 years later and we’re talking about, well, gosh, this democracy isn’t really a democracy if it’s being owned by corporate interests. And we have all of this corruption and vaccines that were supposed to be absolutely like the biggest, best thing for humanity are now, being questioned for exactly what is their utility and what is their safety. But if you go back to the previous time that Pluto was an Aquarius, which, I’m guessing here it was about 200 years before the end of the 18th century. That puts it pretty much smack dab in the Italian, in the, in the Western European Renaissance. And that was another huge transformation which was like, oh, the church is lying to us. And we have this new thing called science and the scientific method that will deliver, us from confusion. And now that, again is sort of on the chopping block. It’s like, how do we trust the scientific institutions that we have, as you said, given, our trust to. That’s also up for discussion. And that’s all happening. And the Earth is shaking.

David Helfrich: Maybe we’re going.

Dr. Madhava Setty: CNN is opening m. Exactly.

David Helfrich: Maybe we’re moving from the age of reason to the age of intuition by the way big plug to an insult to intuition substack there. See what I did there?

Joe Martino: Yeah. Bingo bango. bango. Yeah. And I think, I think this is, this is kind of the. The pieces that part maybe. I mean this is what I believe, so I’ll just go out and say it. But I, you know, and I think you guys resonate. But I do also think there’s a sort of a fundamental shift in consciousness occurring whereby we have the lessons of our past in the various cycles we’ve been through and we have an opportunity to merge that sort of scientific mind, that reasonable mind with the intuitive heart, or the intuitive mind, if you want to talk about how these things are all interconnected as part of a whole anyway, they’re engaging with each other almost momentarily as they communicate. And a new human is emerging in a sense that is centered, is grounded more. And of course, I’m not saying that that just happens at, you know, overnight. Like it takes effort and work to attune to that part of ourselves that. More what I would venture to say is a natural state that we’ve been deeply divorced from for so many different reasons, including just how the Industrial revolution has kind of pulled us out of a natural environment in such an aggressive way and the systems that we’ve built on top of that, reflective of a competitive, domineering type, mindset within human beings, has pulled us even further out of our nature. And I think we’re kind of maybe coming back to that more. there’s a desire. We’re seeing how kind of sick and ill and tired we are of this very, very modern type world. But there’s a natural state that we can attune to, that we can experience. And the question is, can we have that emerge more

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Joe Martino: greatly, on a regular basis such that. And yeah, we’re not just full on faith, we’re not full on, you know, science is everything, but we’re much more balanced in that where, as you know, Ian McGilchrist would put it, the master and the emissary. Which is like saying, you know, when the left brain becomes the master, this straight, logical nothing, it sees everything as separate as, you know, all these bits and pieces. Super reductionist. When that becomes the master, it will push down the whole, the unity, the, the beauty, the ability for us to think complexity. Whereas when the right side of the brain is the master, it knows when to use the logic, it knows when to stick with the intuition, with the heart. Right. And I think there’s a fundamental shift happening there, if we want to talk about it, even just from a more physiological perspective. But I think there’s spirituality in that. and, you know, I think that’s part of what’s changing potentially this time. If, if I want to be idealistic, then, versus some previous changes in the past.

David Helfrich: Very well said. And I think having these experiences like the Age of Enlightenment, the Age of Reason, were amazing accomplishments for humanity. But I think sometimes what happens is people will sort of adapt and embrace scientific methodology and reason. And the byproduct of that is to reject any semblance of spirituality now. And so it’s like to suppress one huge dimension of our consciousness in favor of another, as opposed to looking at these almost like infinity stones. Okay, we got the enlightenment, we got the reason, we got the spirituality. And now they’re walking in unison together, not necessarily opposed. And you know, humanity to me is just about vast experiences. Like, you know, you got the reason, you got the enlightenment, you got the intuition, you got the T shirt and the postcard. You got everything. You went on all the rides. So now enjoy the experience of it as opposed to always having these rivalries. And I think, you know, many people on Madame, I think you’ve talked about this as well, sort of adopt almost a religious approach to the scientific method, to where they’re rejecting anything now outside of that parameter. And that becomes a very narrow way of looking at the world.

Dr. Madhava Setty: Yeah. Yes. It requires a lot of balance between, the right and left hemispheres. You need them both. you know, you can. You can think a thought so, repetitively and intensely that you can generate a physiological reaction. And then you can misinterpret that. As I feel it in my heart, I feel it in my gut. Well, really, maybe it’s just because you’re, you know, you’re feeling nausea because you’re so scared about something that doesn’t exist.

Joe Martino: Yeah.

Dr. Madhava Setty: and I. Look, the. I don’t know what I was going to say particular to that, but I did want to say something about how these things build on each other. This is like the clockwork. we would not have been able to create a democracy, the first time since the Greeks, let’s say, or a vaccine in the late 18th century. If we didn’t have the, the Renaissance 240 years before, and we’re not going to be able to challenge the, things like institutions if the institutions don’t exist that we created, you know, over the last 200 years. I mean, it’s this, we’re doing the same thing, but the environment in which we’re doing it is different. Yeah, yeah, that’s it.

Joe Martino: That’s all. does anybody have any final words before we close this off?

Dr. Madhava Setty: Well, I’m really curious to see, you know, what’s going to happen between now and when we release. When you, when you release this. Right. We have. I don’t know what your plan is. Maybe we’re not going to be here at all and you should probably, record it someplace and bury it.

David Helfrich: Yeah, yeah. You know, I’m actually going to be on an airplane crossing the Atlantic, so I’m curious to, see what, what kind of. I’m. I got a window seat too, so I’m pretty excited about that. Although it’s going to be at the tail end. I think I’m at at least where I’m at in the northeast. It’s around 2pm to 4pm I think. Madhava, when the eclipse is going to hit.

Dr. Madhava Setty: Yes.

David Helfrich: But I would just say, you know, enjoy wherever you’re at on the planet. You know, enjoy, a really, a once in a lifetime for many people type of event. This is not something that comes around often, and it’s a beautiful time of reflection, but also just a beautiful time to be alive and be able to witness something like this, which only comes across once every. What, how many moons?

Dr. Madhava Setty: No, it, you know, a solar eclipse is not that infrequent. You know, I think it happens like every 18 months or so.

David Helfrich: Totality. A totality though?

Dr. Madhava Setty: Well, no, no, not just. Well, totality is particularly rare. But the point here is that the, axis of the moon’s orbit is not completely, aligned with our plane of, with the sun. And so, you know, there we. The moon gets in the way of the sun a lot, but it doesn’t necessarily cast a shadow on the earth at all sometimes. So, it’s not as infrequent as we realize, but as you said, totality

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Dr. Madhava Setty: in a place where we can get to, you know, that’s pretty rare. Like, not only are you dealing with the celestial mechanics of the whole thing, you also have to deal with weather. So I do believe that, you know, most people on the planet who have lived have not seen a total solar eclipse for that reason.

Joe Martino: Yeah, that’s it. That’s all. Gentlemen, as always, thanks for coming on, sharing your thoughts, insights, wisdom, and, looking forward to the next time, hopefully, maybe even sooner, than later.

Dr. Madhava Setty: Me too. Thanks, Joe.

Joe Martino: Thanks.