UPDATE:
A Durham Ontario Canada resident, Michael Schmidt, is still under bail conditions for apparently being an accomplice to conspiracy in this sheep ordeal.
Today Schmidt is going in for fingerprinting for a charge that simply doesn’t fit the ‘crime.’ The Ministry of Natural Resources had set up surveillance cameras on public property without any labelling on the cameras or permission of residents, which were found in the ditches around their homes.
Schmidt’s neighbours chose to take down the cameras to find out who they belonged to and why they were there. They found over 80,000 images on SD cards of citizens jogging, walking dogs, and moving through day-to-day life. They called the police to find out whose cameras they were, but were unsatisfied when police refused to disclose their ownership, instead demanding the cameras be handed over.
Schmidt refused and cited infractions against transparency, justice, and his own privacy as his main reasons for not giving up the details of the camera’s whereabouts. Now, he is being charged with theft under $5k for not sitting by while government bodies intrude upon private lives without their knowledge or consent. Schmidt is a social activist like we (the Collective team) haven’t seen in a long time. His ongoing struggle with the government has been a 21 year battle and his raw milk farm has been raided over five times. He has been detained, thrown in jail, and even placed in solitary confinement, where he refused to eat on principal.
According to Schmidt, he was not in jail of his own free will and the state does not have rights over his body, so he refused to eat. He went on another hunger strike more recently when trying to get a simple dialogue going with the Premiere of Ontario about the circumstances of his farm’s operations.
So, he’s going in for fingerprints for one incident, but there is a possibility he may not come out because of another issue. Support Michael Schmidt, because he’s basically taking the fall for all of us in a much bigger way.
Original Story:
- Rare Shropshire Sheep are ordered to be killed against shepherd’s consent by the Canadian Food Inspection Agency due to a falsely suspected disease
- Shepherd now faces up to 12 years in prison and hundreds of thousands of dollars in fees
- Launches fundraising project to raise money for legal fees and charges
Farmer and shepherd Montana Jones has had a rough couple of years. Since 2010, she’s been fighting a downward battle with the Canadian Food Inspection Agency. Before all of this, she was living a simple life as a farmer and blogger in a rural part of Ontario, Canada.
“Along with other heritage breed livestock, I raise Heritage Shropshire sheep, a breed that is on the Rare Breeds Canada Endangered livestock list. The British genetics in my Wholearth flock had pedigrees dating back to the early 1900’s when the first British stock was imported here,” Jones wrote in one of her blog entries.
It was clearly her passion and life’s work, breeding the beautiful sheep to keep the endangered species alive and strong, with there being only a small amount of the animals alive today. Her life changed for the worst in 2010, however, when the CFIA swooped down on her little heritage farmstead and declared that an ewe that she had sold many years prior (to a livestock hauler and farmer in Alberta) had tested positive for a sheep disease called Scrapie. There had only been 10 cases in all of Canada the year before. And it is worth mentioning that the disease poses no risk to human health.
The Scrapie infected sheep did not have the traceability I.D. ear tag that was there when Jones sold it — apparently the owner “didn’t have it” — but CFIA were told it was originally her sheep. The CFIA agreed it was quite possible that it had been infected in the time since it had left Jones’s farm:
Scrapie is easy to spot, and my flock NEVER had a single sign or symptom. The CFIA went ahead and conducted live tests that have an 88% accuracy rate in detecting the disease. The ‘dead’ test on obex brain tissue has only slightly higher accuracy. As I predicted…all tests came back negative. But that wasn’t good enough. The CFIA issued an order to kill them anyway.
Jones goes on to explain how she tried her hardest to find alternatives to the dire situation:
I offered many other risk free alternatives and suggested we work together to find out if indeed any illness had ever been in the flock. “Kill first ask questions later” is not the best option to conserve a rare breed. The CFIA did not even respond to my proposal. The CFIA wouldn’t listen to over 5,000 petitioners on Change.org either. The CFIA is not pleased that I made their unjust actions public knowledge.
I am horrified at the degree of harm a government agency can do with an incredible amount of money and a superfluous number of relatively incompetent employees. Who was I to suggest that our government re-examine their protocols regarding agricultural biodiversity?
I was advised to roll over, let the CFIA kill my healthy sheep, take their compensation money and move on. Other commercial sheep producers did…why shouldn’t I?
The situation didn’t get any better for Jones. Without mercy, the CFIA ordered Jones to dig a large hole to bury her sheep:
They demanded I hire an excavator and have a deep grave dug, and said they would kill them before my eyes and leave me to bury them all. A 15-foot pit was dug at the top of my hill overlooking the farm…the hill they grazed peacefully for so many years.
Then the CFIA told me they changed plans, and decided to load my sheep for a stressful 5 hour transport to a killing facility at a pet food plant near Ottawa, and that I would have to pay the bill.
There were many calls, emails and messages from outraged people saying they’d take, hide or move the sheep to protect them. The CFIA arrived early April 2 to kill the flock, but the sheep were gone, with only a note left. Months later they were discovered on a distant farm, and the CFIA killed them and their newborns. All of the the tests came back negative.
Jones admits her quality of life has been destroyed by the CFIA:
My farm is still in quarantine, CFIA has effectively halted my farm income and ensured that each day revolves around them, and defending my right to live peacefully. They have attacked, stripped bare, twisted up and torn down. It’s non-sensical: am I that much of a threat? I was just quietly living and farming with a few animals, growing vegetables, selling at local farmers market…well, I was. Not now.
The CFIA continued to issue press releases announcing the high risk to the nation and “dangerous” nature of the missing sheep situation. The CFIA claimed they understood what a severe impact their procedures had on “affected” producers (implying that my destroyed flock they killed had indeed been infected with “disease” they weren’t) …and how difficult it must be and announced publicly that they properly compensate producers for their losses. Simply not true.
Armed with search warrants, the Canadian Food Inspection Agency investigators and Ontario Provincial Police raided my home, Michael Schmidt’s and two others on August 2nd, 2012.
The CFIA charged myself and raw milk activist farmer Michael Schmidt and 2 others with numerous criminal offences including conspiracy, for allegedly trying to save Canada’s heritage sheep and preserve our country’s agricultural biodiversity.
The domino effect of the CFIA’s invasion meant selling off my heritage turkey breeding stock because I had no way to feed them. My beautiful pastured Tamworth pigs too, and two white Percheron mares. My farm truck died last fall. Then my car followed suit in December.
If convicted, Jones faces up to 12 years in jail and up to $1.5 million dollars in charges and fees. She has launched a GoFundMe campaign to help raise money to support her cause.
More people need to know what our government is doing with the power we have vested in them, on the pretence of protecting us. I refuse to believe that the gross misuse of power wielded by this government body might go unnoticed.
First, I need to ensure the farm will not be lost. Then, to raise funds for legal defense against the CFIA’s charges, and to raise awareness about how their policies are affecting all of us, and work to get them changed.
Jones says she has managed to stay strong through the support of so many people who have been following her story since the initial raid in 2010:
The encouragement of all those who have been following this story has been a huge support to me. It constantly reminds me that we are all in this together:no matter how different our personal suffering or challenges. This is not the worst thing that ever happened to anybody, but it IS happening, and it needs to stop.
With your help, we’ll breathe life back into this farm once again.
Montana Jones has already managed to raise $95,000 dollars with the help of so many caring souls. Help spread the awareness of Jones’ story and support her GoFundMe campaign today!
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This story hurts like hell.
I am so sorry for this woman and the evil cworld that took over her life.
I too have felt this sting , it’s something you just can’t get over easy .
Imagine you had a flock of children , you loved them all and things are good , then they’re ruthlessly discriminated against , and they’re murdered for all the wrong reasons .
Sure you’ll say what did the owner do to deserve this ? She said herself , she went public with the story .
If you climb the hill of shit from bottom to top you’ll find an official or group of officials that took personal pleasure in defeating this Lady and killing her sheep .
Do you believe what this Lady farmer says ? I do .
Do you believe that based on any evidence the sheep should have been killed ?
Do you believe that this type of perverted powerbroker should not go challenged ?
Remember , she wasn’t given any choices , and she was charged for breaking a law that has no perimeters , she could do what she wanted with the sheep up till any action by the authorities .
My suggestions , first , if we see a wrong and don’t do something to correct it , are we then condoning it .
Well don’t look for any sympathy when the bell tolls .
Lets open wounds , clean out the rot , but this time the rot has dug it’s own grave .
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Sault Ontario Canada
Being a full time sheep producer living in this same geographical area, I am appalled that this woman continues to spread her lies and cry ‘pity me’ to get people to pay for her very existence on this planet.
Her tragedy is self inflicted.
1. When the story broke, I checked CLRC and she had NOT registered ANY sheep in 5 yrs. Explain to me how you ‘preserve heritage bloodlines’ without registrations?
2. She refused to provide trace-in and trace-out information so that CFIA could complete their investigation in a timely fashion. By the time she did….years later…it was too late. Most of the sheep she sold were lost or probably dead. I wonder if they died of scrapie?
3. She continually throws the AB producer that bought the Scrapie-positive ewe from her under the bus. That is reprehensible!!
4. CFIA offered her a newly designed solution for ‘Heritage Sheep’ to keep her genetic lines after the QQ ewes were destroyed. She was given a 2 yr repreive, during which time she could purchase an RR Ram, breed him to her flock and KEEP ALL OFFSPRING. Apparently that wasn’t good enough for her. She sat around collecting donation money for 2 yrs instead. That seems alot easier….to play the victim of the big bad corporate machine. I pity all these poor dupes that she has bilked money from…..for the past 3 yrs! She is playing on people’s ignorance because they don’t know our industry, where to check facts, or that she is the anomoly in the whole equation. Most people recover financially quite nicely from a Scrapie positive being found in their flock. The compensation for a Registered Sheep can be as high as $1200 each. Hmmm, 31 x $1200 = $37,200. That is a nice chunk of money to put back into the flock.
But if not registered, they would only be compensated at $300 each. Pity she hadn’t the foresight to keep her registrations up to date. It only costs $10 each to register.
Animal cruelty gets me RIGHT in the feels.
Canada is still governed by England, you can reach across the pond for help, there are numerous agri groups who would cheerfully help.
Canada is not in anyway governed by England. We ceremoniously let the Queen pretend she has any power here but do not legally require her or England do to anything.
Wow, way to be nasty about a well meaning comment. And of course incorrect. Go check your facts about what the sovereign is ‘legally’ allowed to do if there is a need.
Thanks Jeff for another excellent but sad report.
Using words of John Lennon….. We are living in an insane world run by insane people.
I’m sorry for your losses. Bless you and be strong.
Alright, so I’ll be casting YET AGAIN, more death spells on cops. As usual… Spell casting makes me tired.
I’d love to see a name and statement from this idiot organization of heathens.
why do people pay her so she can pay them legal fees? Why isn’t all of canada rising in revolt to her aid, like the US did for Cliven bundy?
Because she is counting on people’s ignorance to support her financially. Her tragedy is self inflicted. Once the positive was discovered to have originated at her farm….all of her QQ animals were going to be destroyed…PERIOD. But, she was offered a repreive that the AB farmer negotiated with CFIA for “Heritage Sheep”. She was given 2 yrs to buy an RR Ram and KEEP ALL OFFSPRING. She refused. She could have then gotten up to $1200 per sheep in compensation. Pity she had not been paying the measly $10 per sheep to register them over the previous 5 yrs prior to the positive case. And how do you ‘preserve’ bloodlines when you don’t register????
This story almost makes me ashamed to be a Canadian. I live in the US now, and understand that this barbaric behavior is happening around the world as most governments are overstepping their bounds and treating the “little people” with contempt and indifference. It isn’t the individual agents or officers who are charged with carrying out their orders who are to blame. It is the selfish and power hungry bureaucrats and morons who make decisions from within their crystal towers and never venture out into the real world to learn the truth who are to blame!
here is a list of CFIA Offices in Ontario Canada.
259 Woodlawn Road West
Suite A
Guelph, Ontario
N1H 8J1
38 Auriga Dr
Unit 7
Nepean, Ontario
K2E 8A5
1200 Commissioners Road East
Unit 19
London, Ontario
N5Z 4R3
1124 Finch Avenue West
Unit 2
Downsview, Ontario,
M3J 2E2
Feel free to fill their mailboxes with letters or protest or put up a sign detailing this story. I know that I will make a sign with this web address on it. And put it across the street from the London Office. F*** you CFIA!
Karl Lentz and queens bench….. go claim your property back and bring your own case for harm at queens bench
I guess my question is why? What did these sheep have to do with anything?
Why? Why? there is a reason these sheep were targeted! What makes these sheep different than other sheep?
She would have you believe that she was targeted, but in fact, she is the author of her own misery. She could have avoided all of this misery. She was given a rare opportunity to save her bloodlines before they were destroyed. This is why this has gone on so long. They gave her a reprieve. She was given 2 yrs, so that she could buy an RR Ram and breed him to the whole flock as many times as possible in that amount of time, and she could KEEP ALL THE OFFSPRING. She refused. It was her way or the highway.
Canada should stand up and say NO to GMO’s which are killing human beings!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This woman has done nothing wrong AND her animals tests were negative ….. WTH? This country is so backwards makes me sick 🙁
meanwhile they allow listeria/lice infected farmed salmon to be sold in stores/Costco is one of them
What was her main source of income? Were these sheep bred for meat production? if so, I have no sympathy for this woman for NOW being upset they they all have to be slaughtered. I only have sympathy for the innocent animals that were forced into this horrible situation.
If you read the above, they were a RARE species of sheep and she was trying to preserve it. Have a heart.
Doubt she raised them for.meat when it says they are an endangered and rare breed.
If you listened she bred them to keep the species alive and well in Canada. Why is her main source of income relevant to the point she is making? Pay attention
Sarel it’s people like u who needs to mind your own business. I’m sure you are a city person who likes to but in everyone’s business. You are probably with Peta or the humane society.. this lady was trying to preserve these endangered sheep if you read the story!!
When it’s not your lively hood that’s being jeopardized, you can jeopardize others’ just fine as long as you get a paycheck from it. You look on as you make a persons life a living horror story, because you yourself are not the one experiencing it. Even going so far as to want to make someones backyard a mass grave. When the government gets bored, they pick on those most helpless because god forbid they listen to the people who easily outnumber them, and had rather keep us underfoot… Canada and the US government are starting to have similarities when it comes to sadism.
You make me more than sick, these so called humans that are responsible are the garbage of the earth
Looks like American values have overflowed into yet another country. Makes me ashamed of being one and worse to know I cannot escape it by going anywhere else. Seems in the little over 200 years we have been an actual country, we have influenced many to be greedy, low life, lying, murdering, thieving scum just like us.
My heart goes out to this woman and her sheep. I hope she is able to find people of like mind to help and assist her in getting her life back. Falsely accusing a woman of a crime, murdering her flocks, murdering her lively-hood, possibly sending her to prison for a government mistake…. it’s criminal of it’s own right. Sounds like something America would do. Don’t end up like us.
I thought the same exact thing, friend. :\ Disgusting.
Poor lady and her sheep. That is so cruel to take everything that she had. That’s just not fair. Stay strong and keep your head up high. Have faith god will sort all your problems.
It says she was a raw milk activist. I think that was her “real crime” as far as big agro was concerned. I understand if you are against slaughtering animals for meat, but she seems to have cared for them well.
It doesn’t say anything about her being a Raw Milk activist. “The CFIA charged myself and raw milk activist farmer Michael Schmidt” does not make her an Raw Milk advocate.
Where exactly does it say in that, that she herself is a raw milk activist.. She was a farmer… Michael Schmidt Is a raw milk activist… Learn to read. >.>
“The CFIA charged myself and raw milk activist farmer Michael Schmidt and 2 others with numerous criminal offences including conspiracy, for allegedly trying to save Canada’s heritage sheep and preserve our country’s agricultural biodiversity.”
Somebody has to conduct a research on a very dangerous and anti-human disease called “bureaucratic mind”. First, if somebody can give an example of a bureaucratic action that led to something creative, improving or even simply good, please come forward and share it. Bureaucrats are very special kind of species, whose first and ought most duty is to ignore humanity. Every time I come across the next unavoidable bureaucratic nonsense, it seems that everyone on their right mind is capable of spotting the injustice using plain good common sense, but the bureaucrats. I think it is time they go completely extinct. And fast, please.
I want to help, I have no money but I say impeach them until this shit stops.
What a shame but this so sounds like the Harper Government! To bad they won’t make companies lable their food when it is or has GMO in it!
The militarisation of the police across the world has shades of the Third Reich, thus proving it never went away, but has instead been adopted by the various governments in order to reduce the population of this planet to serfdom. The test case for this is North Korea, which provides the perfect role model for Western governments to emulate.
Thus are more and more laws enacted to disenfranchise us of our rights and turn otherwise law-abiding citizens into criminals. It paves the way for governments, under different guises, to steal land and property, to empty bank accounts, to rob pension funds and effectively reduce hard-working people to poverty.
Sounds almost like a Nazi regime coming down hard on an innocent sheep farm. I’ve heard it said that there is nothing more frustrating than dealing with an irrational bureaucracy. This case certainly supports that belief.
Send them a message …
http://inspection.gc.ca/about-the-cfia/contact-us/eng/1299860523723/1299860643049
I finally shut my business down rather than deal with an out of control bureaucracy here in So. Calif. for one more day. They were relentless money grubbers. And ignorant too.
we are having the same problem in Denmark, with our government and police, are now been made a law that dogs can not swim where there are blue flag, but we do not care about it. we will not live in a communist state
Umm.. Many many countries have that. If it’s the same blue flag, then it means that it is there because of the excellent water quality. They don’t allow dogs on there because they use it as their bathroom. It’s more so the owners who aren’t capable of cleaning up after their dogs is why there are laws.
Allan, you are proof that you believe in your “Government” more than you believe in the people around you that they extort money from?? What’s wrong with you? Please..
That is what happens when you opt for a socialist government. It eventually leads to Totalitarianism where your elected employees think they know what is best for you and everyone else in the society.. Like the ridiculous fat tax that your government imposed on your whole population because some people in your society cannot eat responsibly. Clearly the problem is sugar but like this poor woman in Canada there is no rational debate with authority. It all comes down to the lack of people not taking interest in the democratic process and finding rational, common sense people to employ and send to represent their district at the nation committee. Any ism will fail in the end if left unchecked. Capitalism is failing as we write, communism has failed and your socialism will fail as well is left unchecked. Maybe you also will come to the realisation that the political party clubs are the problem in democracy and you should be voting for independent candidates who will be working for the electorate and not the dictates of their party political bosses.You are correct to defy stupid laws. Keep it up and encourage others to do the same.The controllers are coming for you Denmark. You will soon be a cashless society. Then the authorities will have full control of you. If you resist them they will be able to easily deprive you of the fruit of your labours. by turning off your plastic card and your access to those fruits..
Yet America is a Democracy and here we are heading towards Totalitarianism, we just decided to skip communism all together
If I were you I would have hunkered down and gotten in a standoff with them. F*** that, I will not bow down to government tyranny. Bottom line!
Montana I hope you get this message, I think you should file a freedom of information request to find out how much the agency made by selling the dead carcasses to the pet food plant. and if you could please also post the names of the people directly responsible in the agency. I have sent the agency a message but would really like to send more messages to the real people responsible, including the member of parliament responsible for this Nazi agency.
Montana is deceiving. She was offered a reprieve as was the AB producer, solely because they were a “Heritage Breed”. She had 2 yrs to buy an RR Ram, and breed him to her flock several times in that space of time and she was allowed to KEEP ALL THE OFFSPRING. She refused. She thinks she is better than every other sheep producer in Canada. She isn’t. She erroneously presents herself as an expert on Shropshire sheep yet she is not recognized as such in our industry. She talks in half truths to bilk money from unsuspecting people.
Someone powerful wants your land, most likely for a nefarious purpose. They know you wouldn’t sell it, so they will rob you of income, load you with debt and grab it for a song the minute the bank forecloses. Everything if about the money, the reasons for this scenario don’t lie with the animals…it was just an easy way to cause the downfall of the farmer.
what a horror…. i cannot give money as i have none, but i did go on to the CFIA website and send an email…. all i can do really.
http://inspection.gc.ca/about-the-cfia/contact-us/eng/1299860523723/1299860643049
there’s the website again.
The inconvenient fact Montana Jones always leaves out of her sob story is that one of her sheep was confirmed to have scrapie – http://bit.ly/19zjjpV
The quarantine and destruction of her animals is based the same protocol used for any farm that has a link to scrapie case – http://bit.ly/1oEFIsm
Montana Jones could have cooperated with the efforts to eradicate scrapie but chose to claim her sheep her special and different than those owned every other farmer (even though most of her sheep were not registered).
The possible jail time is not for having the misfortune of having a scrapie infected flock. It is because she is alleged to have been involved in a scheme to break a lawfully ordered quarantine. If this is proven in court she deserves to face the penalty of law but it would be highly unlikely she would face anything near the maximum penalties.
Do you work for the government or just a sheeple?
Maybe he is a shepherd concerned about outbreaks that destroy his livelyhood because someone didn’t feel like following common sense rules about animal health and safety. She had an open flock, she HAS to follow the rules for the sake of thousands of other shepherds. Many of which are following organic and natural methods for raising healthy and untainted meat for the consumption of their families and cooperatives.
The report isn’t inconsistent with what her “sob story”, as you put it. In fact, it reads:
“The farm was placed under quarantine because a sheep that originated from the farm had previously tested positive for scrapie.”
That’s consistent with what the farm owner said; a sheep they believe originated from her farm tested positive. That doesn’t address where the disease came from. I’m not saying there weren’t untruths, but I am saying this isn’t one of them.
Sorry Harry…but I cannot comment without attacking you personally because you are part of the problem. You are part of the problem because the CFIA relies on mindsets like yours to help them make their ridiculous protocols seem acceptable. They are not acceptable. Your comments are not productive and they do not contribute to a healthy debate. Your comments criminalize Jones, they judge and convict her in a passive aggressive manner. Your comments are worded in a ‘veiled’ way that distances you from owning your true intent and it is your intent that makes the world a weary place to live.
Thank you Tom Harrris
I agree with Harry and you put way to much thought into this comment. Lol! Crazy talk from a person who can write well.
Thank you, Tom, for responding to Harry’s post. I was trying to think of how to relay my reaction but you did it perfectly! There is something very strange about this story. I do not believe for one second the Sheep were diseased. Where was the proof of that? If so, why would the government kill them for pet food???? That makes no sense except they have no regard for animals! THEN, send Montana Jones to jail! That is ridiculous! She was protecting her animals! This story makes me sick!!
but it’s not specifying if its the shropshire sheep or just normal sheep
What that press release says Harry is what’s noted in the article, that an animal that was alleged to have come from her farm had the disease not that an animal on the farm had the disease.
I checked the first site , and it says a sheep was found to have had ” scrapies”.
But check the dates of the incident and the date the document was modified .
I’ve kept a copy in case they change it .
You wouldn’t by any chance be one of the the CFIA jerks that is involved in this. If there was a animal that was infected they should/would not have been sold to a pet food plant. You are obviously as ignorant or one of the gestapo govt employees involved in this rape of a Canadian citizen by our wonderful govt.
City folks who think they know whats up. There are some diseases that are non-communicable to other species and are permitted for both animal and human consumption. You should see the diseases that are allowable on the beef or chicken you probably have on your plate every day. Dogs dont get scrapie and by permitting those culled animals to be used as pet food reduces the waste of perfectly good meat. What would be a shame is that culled animals that were found to not be sick getting dumped in a hole in the ground.
The inconvenient fact you leave out is that the link you provided does not name Montana Jones as the owner of the scrapie infected sheep in question. There is NOTHING lawful about the draconian and tyrannical food police and their tactics and agenda.
Harry Hogtown,..listen carefully. the person said the sheep came from her but there was no i.d tag to prove it. Set up much. govt conspiracies
100% agree. I work for a meat processor and work very closely with the CFIA. They are protecting our food stocks and no one should try to get in the way of that. Unfortunately she did because of “rare sheep” from the 1900 (1900’s were 100 years ago… Not that rare). It’s sad the little guys had to die but it’s in the best interest of the Canadian public.
Yet there was no ear tag to prove it was one of her sheep. Don’t you think that if the lives of an entire flock and the livelihood of Montana warranted further investigation (such as finding the flippin ear tag or other proof) that it was her sheep?
Jodie, the Scrapie positive sheep, WHE24S, sold from Montana to the AB farmer was TATTOOED by Montana herself. That cannot be lost!
Well said. Finally the rest of the story! Montana speaks in half truths to generate donations!
+ Hmmm… Did anyone ever suggest an investigation of the CFIA employee perps by Canada’s version of our Attorney General? Did they ever try to get the backing of Prince Philip or any other British Royal – ? – (not that they could have provided direct help)? This outrage surely could have been prevented by some kind of sane legal action long before the disappearance and killing of the herd. I don’t get it.
“sold the “sick” sheep for pet food”? That’s contaminated food. Jones has a federal tort claim against Canada for gross abuses.
Best of luck to you Montana!
Isn’t mad cow disease related to scrappie? Is there not a possibility that if the sheep really are infected that tehy could cause prion illnesses in pets if processed in this way?
I smell a corporate power grab here.
I meant this toward mr. hogtown.
y cant the government just leave peaceful loving people alone!!!!!!!!!
I agree!
When this case goes to court, I can’t think of a better time for a jury to invoke its right to jury nullification. Let this woman walk free. She’s endured enough.
It’s a shame to see this type of draconian bureaucratic overreach happening outside the USA now. I thought it was only happening here. Canadians, you have my sympathy.
What are you talking about Harry.. so its protocol for CFIA or what ever they are, to go on peoples farms and kill goat and sheep to check for Scrapies.. Dude it isnt even dangerous to humans did you even proofread your link?
that is the dumbest reason to charge some one for 12 years and 1.5 million dollars WTF is that bullshit. people that kill in the degree of man slaughter dont even get 12 years its a 9 year sentence ..
this makes absolutely no sense…
This hits home as the american govt mass slaughtered my great grandmas flock. Hundreds killed because the govt wants to regulate what we had used as sustenance for hundreds of years… Navajo from Arizona
Canada (my country) has lost its way — its bottomless love of rules/order has created a sort of hyper-bureaucratic nightmare state, totally devoid of accountability for the human beings which carry out actions such as destroying a flock of endangered sheep. We’re soulless now…
As a shepherd and an anarchist it pains me to have to defend the CFIA but that is what I must do. They followed the protocol for dealing with an animal from a flock with a communicable disease with no cure. That protocol, as stupid as it may be, is designed to ensure the health of every animal in the country and preserve a free market and healthy supply of a product with high consumer demand. What the “mad cow” scare did for beef prices, a similar outbreak of a CNS-based and untreatable disease could do to the price of lamb. While not as devastating as having the CFIA destroy your entire flock, these kinds of diseases can decimate a producer and cause years worth of problems. At least the CFIA compensates for culled animals (they do, the ignorant boobs commenting above need to learn to read).
It is sad that her heritage flock had to be culled and if she hadn’t of moved the flock to another farm and risked further spread of the disease she would have been given a check for the lost animals (probably commercial market price, not reflective of their actual value). If you are anti-commercial farming then you arent going to be happy with anything the government does but there are people who make a living and provide for large families by way of small farms. I don’t begrudge people who want to do organic, local, raw, etc but animal disease is a big freaking deal for everyone and producers of any size have a responsibility if they are not going to be closed flock. The minute she started selling live animals as breeding stock she had a responsibility to the public and other sheep producers to conform to common sense safety standards. The idiot that took those animals and allowed lambing to take place needs to suffer a similar fate and if it was the raw milk guy I wouldn’t buy anything from him as his obviously does not hold animal health and food safety in sufficient regard.
Drink all the raw milk you want and eff the govt for trying to stop it. But drinking raw milk might make the drinker sick but sick sheep with a non-curable disease that leaves a closed flock impacts entire flocks and livelyhoods. You want to do something that impacts you, then you should be free to do so. If you want to be a tit and potentially destroy my livelyhood and take food off my kids table then I hope the CFIA nails you to the wall.
I guess you missed the bit where it said the sheep were all tested and came up negative for the disease..
I guess YOU missed the bit about the 2 sheep who were positive-the one she sold and the one who died on her farm. Prion disease is very serious business! There are no cures! Do you remember mad cow-also a prion disease? The loss of her sheep is heartbreaking and it makes me ill; but, I’d rather be heartsick than accept the risk of the loss of many more sheep or goats! People react before getting all the facts. I have done that myself at times. Unfortunately it leads to misinformation and paranoid behavior.
Can’t imagine the amount of distress she has to undergo- v sad ! Hope the CFIA gives her a fair chance at well, saving what is left .
It is usually the people that runs the government agency, not the government won’t admit they are wrong.
They will have to be held accountable for their actions through civil litigations if possible.
So sorry you had to suffer through the hardship.
I think there is a hidden agenda…………….this woman has/had rare and heritage animals……………I think to myself, WHO ordered the CFIA to harass her?, who doesn’t want her doing what she is doing?, who has the power to order this? the CFIA are just pawns and the poor lady is the victim of something sinister,………………………….. love n light to her and all those in her immediate support group………………if only people realised…………WE ARE the MAJORITY………………………………….
Fairly soon, anyone, trying to be self sufficient will be dealt with this way, it is pretty clear that individuals such as this woman, is clearly being attacked, and i am using that term heavily, attacked!!, by these fools they call the CFIA, while using heavy-handed tactics on this lady, from which she probably will never recover, to the light handed approach on the monopolization entities of the food giants, it is time to say F%^k them and join this woman in hers and everyone else’s battles for self sufficiency, good luck to this woman.
I think that the police departments around the world have become so militarized, and have so little real training, that they don’t know what they are doing. Add to it, a government that doesn’t care about it’s people, and you get this result. I’m not surprised that they did this, and I’m not surprised that they won’t admit that they were wrong.
So let me get this right… they had to kill an entire flock to test them? Why not just one or two? (even though that sounds like it was completely unnecessary as they tested negative anyway) I’m not usually one for name calling but that agency sound like a bunch of (rhymes with “punts”)!!!
Christine Fraize This is heart breaking and so unnecessary! The CFIA should be held accountable for this massacre of perfectly healthy, rare sheep. Government is suppose to protect us, not destroy all that is good for us. This woman should not have to pay those IDIOTS anything, they should have to compensate her for this total INJUSTICE.
God help us all from the powers that be!
Read Mad Sheep. Happened is the US a few years ago, as well. The agenda is money and budgets to keep their departments running. Horrible.
Sounds like she needs to adopt her own ‘shoot first, ask questions later’ policy.
Sad how they call it ‘murder’ with these sheep and yet they murder thousands and thousands of babies a year in our country calling it ‘choice’. Its a scary direction when animals have more rights then humans.
So did you not read that these sheep are the owner’s (a HUMAN) livelihood? You’re missing the whole point here kiddo.
What comes around goes around and these big corps will be the first to go if the good people have their way. Needless control of government. You’d think instead of going backwards they would move forward for the better.
The only conclusive test is an examination of the brain. Montana’s self-serving version of the story fails to note she had an animal test positive for scrapie – http://bit.ly/19zjjpV
Talk about self-serving versions, CFIA ‘s reports may very well be self-serving also!
Illuminati rule…
Efforts to control and eradicate animal diseases are not limited to the diseases that affect human health. There are more than 30 federally reportable diseases under the Health of Animals Act and many are regulated for the risk to trade or livestock health only.
Montana Jones is not facing jail time for having sick sheep. She is facing jail time for allegedly conspiring to break a lawful quarantine order. It’s kind of like of like getting pulled over speeding – If you stop and take your ticket, you won’t go to jail but if you try to outrun the cop or conspire with someone to steal the cop’s ticket book, your legal issues are just going to get worse.
Yea or like stop and frisk, where if you just stop and let the police molest you without good cause or reason, they will let you go, but if you try to speak up for yourself, defend your rights, and go about your buisness, you get arrested.
The case Montana Jones doesn’t like to talk about was found in an animal that died on her farm while the quarantine was in effect – http://bit.ly/19zjjpV
She carefully parses her words to say none of the sheeep that were killed by the CFIA tested positive. She can’t truthfully say scrapie was never found on her farm or in her sheep.
The sheep may be rare in Canada but they`re not that rare in the UK where they are originally from, and if you read other articles from reliable news sources like the globe and mail. You will find out that they were going to kill about 31 of the 41 she owed to prevent the disease from spreading, which the disease kills the animal anyways. They wanted to prevent it from spreading to other species of sheep and goats killing our population of sheep, which we currently have about 1.1 million sheep and 180,000 goats in Canada, so killing a mere 31 is not that bad considering the disease could kill thousands. This could affect thousands of farmers and thousands of workers, even them losing there jobs. Not only that one of her sheep did die and was tested positive for having scrapie. So guys and gals I want you to do research on the entire truth before you form a decision!
Links below
Second link talks about how they`re are handling it and I think that’s the best they can do to prevent the spread considering it doesn`t have a cure.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/ontario-sheep-kidnappers-say-infected-flock-is-in-protective-custody/article4105970/
http://www.inspection.gc.ca/animals/terrestrial-animals/diseases/reportable/scrapie/fact-sheet/eng/1356131973857/1356132310673
It would seem to me that a sheeple is anyone who would take the story of someone who has raised almost $100,000 peddling a victim story at face value. There is a whole bunch of information on scrapie, the approach to eradication that is used for all producers (not just Montana Jones) and updates on the quarantine on her farm at http://bit.ly/1xEwVee
You might have a different view if you read that information with an open mind and know that more than a dozen other farms have cooperated with this approach and were compensated in the last two years for the destruction of their animals according to the CFIA’s disease reporting stafs – http://bit.ly/1gjwS28
And on that site, it also links to the release where it states all tests done on the sheep that were destroyed came back negative.
http://www.inspection.gc.ca/about-the-cfia/newsroom/news-releases/20120621/eng/1340303916459/1340303952069
Man I’m greek man and feel for this woman. However all this talk about rare sheep gave me such a hard wood for penetration if you know what I mean.
When it doesn’t make sense to people of at least reasonable intelligence, there is always one cause: a hidden agenda. The Satanic New World Order plan includes destruction of all non-GMO food sources. They want to corrupt everything, from every angle.
Have you noticed all the food recalls in recent years? They all share one common factor: the source they eventually find is a privately-owned, often family-owned producer. The recalls typically shut them down.
I think pointing out of the facts surrounding the case is part of a healthy debate. Accepting Montana Jones’ story (which she has spun into a $100,000 fundraising tale) at face value is non-debate.
It is up to courts to decide if she is guilty of any or all of the charges that have been laid. However, I hope those that feel this is travesty of justice read more than her slant. The government jackboot thugs seem more public servants protecting the sheep trade after reading the information at bit.ly/1xEwVee
All your information comes from the CFIA not any independent party. You certainly can’t trust the CFIA to make accurate reports if they are covering up their ineptitude.
Ben Leach,
There was a scrapie positive animal traced back to her farm which was why there was a quarantine imposed. While the farm was quarantined, a sheep died on the farm and was tested for scrapie. The sheep that died on the Montana Jones farm was positive for scrapie as described at bit.ly/19zjjpV
Ria Kohler.
There was a scrapie positive animal traced back to her farm which was why there was a quarantine imposed. While the farm was quarantined, a sheep died on the farm and was tested for scrapie. The sheep that died on the Montana Jones farm was positive for scrapie as described at bit.ly/19zjjpV
That link does not state that a sheep died while the farm was under quarantine and the news article states that all of the sheep that were destroyed tested negative.
People don’t know the whole story either and have proceeded to went her money that she shouldn’t be receiving.
There is a health risk to humans!!! BSE, also known as mad cow disease came from scrapie in sheep. We recalled thousands of pounds of beef but can’t get rid of a few pet sheep? Also, scrapie does not usually show up until the age of about 2 so the possibility of affecting other sheep is high and the disease is NOT easy to diagnose. There are flocks in this country who voluntarily put there flock on test to eliminate the disease. There is no live test!! This lady had an animal test positive and she wasn’t using the FREE mandantory tracking tags!! I say take all her sheep!! People should get their facts strait as Scrapie is a very bad disease!!
in America they have to PROVE WITHOUT A DOUBT that the animals are or do have diseases they just can’t come on private land and take them, they have to first do testing, followed by getting a court order…No Us Agency
Is allowed under law to kill any animal unless it has first been proven that they carry
a disease.
I hope you’re right.
the law isnt going to stop things like this. things like this have happened many times in the past years. the only laws that matter are ones that are enforced.
This is so WRONG and abuse of power. None of her sheep tested positive for the disease and the one that did test positive was after she sold it and the buyer that bought the sheep couldn’t find the id tag for it so there goes to show you that this could have not been hers. When clearly this sheep was healthy before it left her farm. The CFIA clearly had no right killing her sheep when they came back negative. This needs to stop, it’s wrong and total abuse of power.
Stephanie S,
The info at bit.ly/19zjjpV says “The Canadian Food Inspection Agency (CFIA) has confirmed the presence of scrapie in a quarantined sheep flock in Eastern Ontario. The disease was confirmed in a sheep that recently died on the farm.”
The animals that were ordered destroyed by the CFIA tested negative but the sheep that died on the farm tested positive. Montana Jones carefully parses her words to give the impression that none of her animals have ever tested positive for scrapie (makes for a better fundraising story) but that is disingenuous at best.
“Harry Hogtown” I am the shepherd Montana. What’s your real name? Never mind..I already know. I do not “parse” my words carefully. I have repeatedly asked for proof to test at third party non-CFIA lab and CFIA refuses. What has the government got to hide? The fact there never was never any scrapie on my farm or on my flock. Read http://shropshiresheep.org/2012/05/07/media-fogwash/ and http://shropshiresheep.org/2012/05/01/shepherd-obtains-false-government-document/ . So please refrain from conjecture when you don’t know the facts.
Montana Jones, I believe you and I share your pain and anguish. Though I have never dealt with our
Government in a situation remotely close to this, I do know what the government is capable of….pure hell on earth. Two people in the same department will not have a clue what the other is talking about yet they both do the same job, have the same policies and procedures to follow. We Canadians all need to take a stand when it comes to their stupidity. My Dad, an electrician his entire life, was told “Mr., if you so much as touch a screwdriver, we’ll fine you $50,000.00.” This, because the government decided all electricians had to get a Masters certificate to continue……my Dad was already in his 60’s! Yet my neighbour can wire his own house without any knowledge whatsoever of how to do it. My father said “No snot-nosed, 24 year old college-degree brat is going to tell me that I cannot earn a living anymore.” Well, I could also go on and on with my rant and other scenario’s but the reason I am writing is to let you know that I am behind you. Best wishes to you. Don’t let them kill your soul. They are not worth it!
HarleyDave,
Where else would the information come from? Last time I checked, Montana Jones is not an indepedent party either and 90% of the collective evolution article is a cut-and-paste from her fundraising site.
Why would CFIA information that can be checked with access to information requests be less reliable than someone who has collected $100,000 with her spin on the story?
The CFIA has reported on the negative tests but Montana Jones try to not talk about positive tests.
Sad that Britannia still rules from within the boundaries that they are forbidden from! (Both nations, U.S. and Canada,) God Save the RICH!
The actual legal fund: Canadian Constitution Foundation
#240, 1830—52 Street. SE
Calgary, AB
Canada T2B 1N1
Via: http://www.farmtoconsumer.org/news_wp/?p=7174
I thought this kind of moronic behaviour was more typical of the USA. Very disappointing to find that Canada has the same kind of witless officialdom.
They should be ashamed of themselves! What is this world coming to??? A woman who never did any harm to anyone. Someone stop law enforcement and military before they all turn into bandits, please!
you need to know the whole story…. this story is pure fiction….this woman is a charleton! She would put the entire country at risk for her beloved sheep? It was all about the money she didn’t get. Had she got the payout she was requesting, this would have never made a story! It was never about the sheep!
The story makes it clear that there is no risk to humans…
you, deedee, do not understand what scrapies is or what it actually effects! it is people like you that fly off the handle and have no education about agriculture that create problems for us all!
The sheep were clear HOW MANY TIMES DO YOU NEED TELLING…….
i dont understand why she wouild go to jail because some agency killed HER sheep… it doesnt make any sense.
We have been though this same thing. It’s been 10 years ago and it seems just like yesterday. We sold sheep to the stockyard with our scrapie tags, the big problem came when the local vet also put scrapie tags in at the stockyard. Then some idiot bought our cull ewes plus some other ewes on a day in April. He was thinking of breeding them. Come August he decided not to so he took them to the same stockyard. Again the vet put yet another scrapie tag in. At this point the ewes had 3 scrapie tags. All the ewes that this idiot bought went to Wolverine to be processed, at that time it was only necessary for this processing plant to keep 1 ear tag. No where in the paperwork could they absolutely prove it was our sheep. One ewe came back positive for scrapies, this is Sept when we get a call from the Ohio Department Agriculture. We were in shock!! Why did it take so long when we had sold them in April?? Not knowing all the details. After a 1 1/2 years of living in pure hell, it was over. Any ewes that DNA was QQ was aloud to lamb and when the lambs were weaned the ewes was hauled OSU at Reynoldsburg were they were killed and tested for scrapies. NONE of our 30 ewes tested positive. We were given market price for them, even when we could prove that we had paid much more than that for them. The worst parts were when a 10 year old ewe died shortly after giving birth, her DNA was QR so there was no way she had scrapies. But they came and cut her head off to test her, of course she was negative. Very hard to bury a girl that had been with us for 10 years and had been the mother of our daughters champion lamb at The American Royal in Kansas City. The icing on the cake was the day they came and killed all of our goats in our driveway and hauled them to the local landfill. Scrapies has been around since biblical times, the problem came when sheep with scrapies was fed to cattle, then it was determined that was how mad cow came about.
These agencies are worse than useless and run by sadistic sociopaths.
My name is David Jones and I am the first organic aquaponist in Canada to be charged and convicted of illegal commercial aquaculture.
Never sold a fish
I was assaulted in my retail garden store and threatened that my fish would be killed if I did not comply .
I was then threatened right in court .
This killing of animals was instigated by Mr. Jack Taylor whom was with fisheries and oceans ,then shifted to the CFIA
I have the documents from the court of new Brunswick where it states ( by the investigating armed private subcontractors hired by David Alward to target certain people) that if the government did what was recommended by the private force there would be no court case. This was to be the killing
The Province of NB covered up numerous investigations on me
No local news media would cover the 4 year legal procedure ( I wonder why )
Oh and by the way I was granted the right to do research and development by the federal and provincial governments in the year 2001 and then denied all products and services
Refused full disclosure and then tried in a kangaroo court
There was no presumption of innocence in this court.
Judge Jolene Richard ( the daughter inlaw of Romeo Leblanc ,wife of Dominic Leblanc )(no politics here lol )
I was invited to be one of the 36 voters in Canada to vote on the new organic aquaculture standards .
I represented the organic agriculture farmers of Atlantic Canada as their fish expert
and before that was on the D.F.O. working group for organic aquaculture
I guess I should not have voted no
The amount of senior Federal and Provincial government employees used to circumvent justice is stunning.
There is much more to this as 13 years of records and raids can not be told in 30 seconds
This a story of lies, perjury , false documents ,physical threats ,business sabotage and on and on and on
David Jones
Moncton
New Brunswick
Forgot to tell you these tilapia fish are from a top genetic breed and those that are left in the world is unknown
These agencies should be eliminated and their officers jailed.
Thomas Kirby
We do need food safety officers but not ones that are politically motivated and not ones that seize animals and kill them without proper judicial procedure .Some actions (such as in my case ) were done to cover up 10 years of gross negligence .
My case involves the most senior of government staff of Canada ,and I can name them
After 10 years of intensive research into policy ,rules , regulations of aquaculture and agriculture I am
fairly well versed in who ,how, when, and why .The worst is that it is all about large food corporations and
not about the protection of the people ,
The right to farm is being taken away from the people because of corporate greed and this is being done under the guise of food safety
The Government of New Brunswick set up a court case that had no base in any law
Then the court system keeps you in their grip for years and years in order to cover up there wrong doing
The people of Canada should start to realize that these dept. run on the wishes of the people so get with it and start telling your member of parliament what you want not what the party wants
Tell your MLA want you want not what the party wants
My MP would not help me cause his wife was my judge and his father was the Minister of fisheries of Canada ,go figure and that is nothing compared to the rest of the story ,
People like Montana must be helped
freedom is something that must be earned every day ,it is not a freebee
tell your friends about Montana
tell every one
happy Friday the 13
This is just outrages!! If her sheeps tested negative they should have left them alone…..
That my friends is why I am glad in America we have the right to bear arms. They try that in America, they are gonna be met with a bunch of guns starring them in the face with the rancher saying, “Go ahead, try to kill or take them.”
If you think that similar to this does not happen in the United States you are unfortunately, sadly mistaken….
It is done in America, just like her case, it is kept out of the press. The thing that she did that is wrong, while under quarantine, she hide her sheep. In the USA that is a federal crime!!
It has been done here until finally we said enough and you had the Bundy Ranch. That is why we have the Right to carry. The Feds tried to confiscate the mans cattle and were met by militia from all over the country saying come and take it.
Send a couple of your really good sheep to a friends farm and breed from there. Don’t let the cops destroy a natural lineage. Seriously, the government is not right majority of the time. Take matters into your own hands and send out the sheep. I would.
There should be compensation to her and the exact breed of sheep given back to her. What an outrageous injustice of power which should be honored by compassion from our government agency.
It breaks my heart to hear how the Canadian Government treats their (healthy) rare species. It’s ghastly!
My name is Gail Bekker and I attended the court on the day that prosecutor Eric Lalonde suggested via David jones’ FIRED lawyer that he could plead guilty or they would kill his legally obtained organic vegetarian fish.He would NOT plead guilty no matter what.Years later, the appeal of the questionable conviction was won via judge George Rideout and then MORE COURT to have judge Irwin Lampert withdraw the charge.Wow 14 years of studying his beloved broodstock fish.David Jones has not yet had an apology from premier DAVID ALYWARD,no apology from the justice department,no apology from the 15 senior government officials who signed his research and development license. Some of the same senior government staff testified in the court leaving out their direct role in his constructed demise court case.SCARY.HOW HAS BIG BUSINESS INFILTRATED OUR BELOVED JUSTICE SYSTEM.
People should not be giving/donating money. She has lied and manipulated the situation and she simply doesn’t state that the sheep that died on her farm was infact infected. Had she just complied with there request it would have gone smoother, but instead the sheep were “taken” from the farm.
if you were actually reading the article it states that all tests done came back negative. The sheep in question that was allegedly infected many years ago when it was sold didn’t even have the identification tag on it’s ear (or wherever they put it) to identify it as hers because the person who bought it said “They didn’t have it”. Those two things alone make me weary of why in fact she was targeted in the first place. You blind faith in the system astounds me, because the flaws in it are on display each and every day you watch the news, read the papers, or take advantage of our right to attend court proceedings.
…that is just a stupid and unless comment. Good luck with that if the police ever come to visit you, guess what they’ll do? Get more police and charge the shit out of you. Guns would not of made this situation better. Your right to bear arms is the reason why the U.S. has the highest number of public shootings in the world, and deaths in the line of duty to law enforcement.
The CFIA sounds more like the Gestapo. Stupidity reigns in the Canadian government. Their ignorance is astonishing. I hope she wins her court battle and sues the CFIA for nazi tactics and gets REAL compensation for what has happened to her.
It astounded me that a confessed pedophile will likely be sentenced to less than two years yet a lady will face 12 due to sheep?
What is wrong with our justice system????????
Holy,I was so keen on the David jones stunning go along wrongdoing of so many that I forgot the connection between his situation and the vicious attack on Montanna Jones and subsequent slaughter of her beautiful pure livestock. what they seem to have in common is having been both touched by corporate CFIA enhancement from government paid people..Jack Taylor was first at office of the commissioner of aquaculture and then at the coporate CFIA office. Quite a guy.
CFIA is becoming a criminal organization.
You guys need to do something other than ruin our farmers, we need them more than we need you.
All of the above charges should be completely dropped, because there was no disease, and you’re murderers.
That isn’t going to change.
This is just like the X file? The government gone MAD! What do you expect from a government that approved the killing of baby seals!
North American was built on the backs of horses, yet our governments condone sending HORSES to inhumane kill facilities. They do not care what is killed – as long as it doesn’t interfere with their little policies and back-pockets!!!
What can we do, besides sending money to help? Are there petitions to get these incompetent people removed from their jobs? There must be something!! They should be made to replace her sheep (I know they won’t be her beloved sheep) and compensate her financially. She needs a very good attorney!!
America /Canada is a government corporation ,this woman committed a cardinal sin of being self sufficient the government does not like this history is littered with cases of communes being raided and crops destroyed
Another interesting case was the 2 electric car plants in Canada they were ready to market them but the Canadian government kept changing the rules and regulations at the local level and the government kept holding back the grants/loans in the end one of the makers had to move out to find the funding elsewhere whether they made it i dont know ,and i dont know what happened to the other plant ,but there is a reacurring thread its all about money and taxes for the machine ,
if we all went out and bought an electric car tomorrow the vehicle tax dept would go broke along with the fees for the test centres its call protecting your revenue streams ,the world is a changing place nowdays the government is about money and resources you would do well to check other people who have tried to live independently and had the heavy hand of the government on them .
The agents who do this kind of work need to photographed and put their names and addresses on to the net along with the details of their dept chiefs !
Has anyone contacted any of the Royals’ many conservation affiliates?
i.e. The World Wide Fund for Nature (WWF) is an international non-governmental organization working on issues regarding the conservation, research and restoration of the environment, formerly named the World Wildlife Fund, which remains its official name in Canada and the United States. It is the world’s largest independent conservation organization with over 5 million supporters worldwide, working in more than 100 countries, supporting around 1,300 conservation and environmental projects. (info copied from Wikipedia)
As the sheep’s ancestry comes from the U.K., perhaps someone there can investigate.
Margie thank-you for your suggestion…in fact I did write to them back in 2012 when the main flock was alive…and heard nothing back. But others in the U.K. have rallied on my behalf, as well as activist author farmer Joel Salatin. It all fell on deaf CFIA ears.
This is a breech of the agricultural growth act – in this case they are destroying the agricultural and economical growth of the community, not to mention destruction of life without conclusive evidence. Did they take samples from the farmer whom montana did business with? The integrity of this farmer is destroyed by their dogmatic approach jumping in without gathering evidence competently – this investigation was not run properly. Utterly devastating.
Gail Bekker, to shepard montanna jones thankyou for your sincere work and dedication to your choice in preserving genetic biodiversity,to fishman david jones and his sincere work in preserving genetic biodiversity.who knew such things were going on?It is very concerning.to harry hogtown,please read the Canadian press article November 9 2010,u.s.audit finds sanitation issues at Canadian plants.I CERTAINLY NOTED NO COURT FACING 12 YEARS IN JAIL FOR THEM.
Gail Bekker,
If there was evidence that those operating Canadian meat plants may have engaged in a criminal conspiracy to cover up illnesses, I hope they would also be charged and face the possibility of a similar sentence.
There is no jail time for having a sick sheep. Any real possibility of jail time for Ms. Jones will be if there is conviction for a criminal conspiracy to break a lawful quarantine. How often do you see judges sentence someone to the maximum sentence? Not often, but it probably helps with the on-line fundraising to talk about 12 years in jail as a possibility.
Gail Bekker, has anyone seen the youtube with rick mercer interviewing former prime minister paul martin?They are located on his sheep farm in quebec.wonder if he or his wife have any supportive commentary.I note the cfia haven’t had any visions of sheep plague on their farm with regard to their beloved livestock.
Do Canadians not own Rifles? Why didn’t she arm herself and others and fight to the death? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.” – Thomas Jefferson
Curtis Cleaveland Pierce Jr,
There are about 3.5 million rifles in Canada. Most are owned by law abiding citizens and that law includes the Health of Animals Act which creates a legal basis for animal disease control programs. Canada also has a court system that allows aggrieved citizens to seek a judicial review of actions taken by government departments and agencies.
A judicial review may not have been in Ms. Jones’ best interest since she had an animal on her farm test positive for scrapie while under quarantine.
You can save your refreshing blood for welfare ranchers in Nevada. Canada will continue to try run on the basis of its constitution which includes “peace, order and good government”.
Harry you should read the entire article before attacking others. One sheep testing positive and it was on someone else’s farm. The sheep was not wearing the tag to show it was from her farm. “The Scrapie infected sheep did not have the traceability I.D. ear tag that was there when Jones had sold it, apparently the owner “didn’t have it,” but CFIA were told it was originally her sheep.”So here we are saying the only evidence that this sheep even came from Jones’ farm at all is the word of the farmer with the infected sheep. They could have easily taken off some other tag and claimed it was from her farm. 2nd. And I quote… “The CFIA agreed it was quite possible that it had been infected in the time since it had left Jones’s farm.” There is absolutely NO proof WHATSOEVER that an infected sheep came from Jones’ farm.
Part two: Eventually all the sheep on the farm were seized and I quote again. “Scrapie is easy to spot, and my flock NEVER had a single sign or symptom. The CFIA went ahead and conducted live tests that have an 88% accuracy rate in detecting the disease. The ‘dead’ test on obex brain tissue has only slightly higher accuracy. As I predicted…all tests came back negative. But that wasn’t good enough. The CFIA issued an order to kill them anyway.”
Now she claims the signs are very noticeable. Let’s take a look at this section of eradicatescrapie.org “Due to damage to nerve cells, affected animals usually show behavioral changes, tremor (especially of head and neck), pruritus, and locomotor incoordination that progresses to recumbency and death.
Early signs include subtle changes in behavior or temperament. These changes may be followed by scratching and rubbing against fixed objects, apparently to relieve itching. Other signs are loss of coordination, weight loss despite retention of appetite, biting of feet and limbs, lip smacking, and gait abnormalities, including high-stepping of the forelegs, hopping like a rabbit, and swaying of the back end.
An infected animal may appear normal if left undisturbed at rest. However, when stimulated by a sudden noise, excessive movement, or the stress of handling, the animal may tremble or fall down in a convulsive like state.”
In case that was too long for you to read it says that even though an animal can appear normal at rest it will fall down and convulse if disturbed. I don’t know how anyone could miss that.
Now can you tell us where you found the part that says an animal on her farm tested positive? Or even that there was the slightest bit of evidence that an animal on her farm had it because it seems to me like every bit of information is pointing to the other farmer lying to get out of trouble.
Are you for real? These government gangsters do not care about peace, order and good! They are worse than heavy handed American government facists. All tests came back negative and they still killed the flock of rare sheep. Its time to wake up people!
solo se necesita que salgan todos a la calle a decir NO …no mas injusticias y que pagen los responsables
That is scary that your solution to this is to defend yourself using violence. What do you think is going to happen when you shoot at the police? They’re just going to say this guy is serious and leave you alone?
Using rifles to protect yourself against the “tyrants” is such a pointless argument. Don’t you think if the gov really wanted to kill you, they would just make it easy and use a predator drone? You’d be dead before you even realized you were being oppressed by the gov.
Mr Harry whatever
your naivety taints your every statement ,you are so far from reality that it shows your inexperience in life .Maybe you had better learn which families and which business’s run this country.
This so called seizure was put in in order to circumvent the proper course of justice and is usually effective .
As most people give up when their animals are dead
They also rely on that there are so few defense lawyers that know these rules .
Why do you think they don’t release full information
This is either your inexperienced youth speaking or you are a shill
and you also do not understand anything about original genetics
nor do you care about the ownership of the new designer animals waiting to be launched on the Canadian people
sorry ,you probably have no idea of that ,nor of the destruction of our heritage seeds
The only essential people in this country is the farmer
oh I wonder why
cause they make food
And when a farmer complains people should pay attention
so please go bother someone else with your claptrap
David Jones
David Jones,
Please enlighten me. What families run this country?
And also please tell me how these families managed to infect the sheep that died on Montana Jones farm with scrapie – bit.ly/19zjjpV
There is SOOO much info online if you wish to research stuff ! Maybe this one link will at least peak your curiosity. http://church-of-illumination.com/the-13-bloodlines
you mean the ones that tested negative?
lo unicon que frena y temen estos asesinos corruptos cobardes es que la gente responda saliendo en masa a las calles a manifestar que no toleran injusticias…lo que no se puede hacer es quedarse en casa como que no va contigo…porque si va con todos algun dia iran a tu casa y no te gustara estar solo
I was wondering when someone would drag out the Rothschilds and Rockefellers. Not sure they care about a small sheep herd in Ontario. They probably busy running central banks for the benefit of their Satanic bloodlines.
Considering that the same link you provided also tells people to throw Downs Syndrome babies into flames or the ocean and claims blacks are not human, I will wait for the David Jones list of families that run Canada.
Nope. Meant that the one that tested positive that isn’t mentioned in the fundraising appeal but was tested after it died on the Jones farm. Follow the link – bit.ly/19zjjpV
Meghan,
There have been two cases of scrapie associated with the Jones farm. There was one case that was traced back after being sold several years earlier and a second case that was found in an animal that died on the farm while it was under quarantine.
Information about the second case was released by the CFIA at: http://bit.ly/19zjjpV
Sheep can get atypical scrapie which is often found in older sheep and genotypes of sheep which are normally considered more resistant to scrapie. Atypical scrapie does not have the usual symptoms. A summary of the differences between classic and atypical scrapie can be found at http://bit.ly/1nh1Jus
Harry Hogtown why is it those with actual facts are using their real names? (such as David Jones and myself and other knowledgeable supporters)
For full background: http://shropshiresheep.org/blog/
You are ignoring the following facts with your speculations.
Excerpt from May 2012…I use the term “mistake” to be polite:
“CFIA now claims that a different sheep just tested positive on my farm. Numerous facts suggest that test result could be a ‘mistake’, for the following reasons:
1) There were no scrapie symptoms in the alleged positive the day before it died, when the CFIA veterinarian heading the case confirmed it was likely ill due to pregnancy toxemia.
2) The alleged positive was over 6 years old. Scrapie commonly affects sheep between 2 and 3 years old, rarely after 5 years old. {http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/3864753?uid=3739448&uid=2129&uid=2&uid=70&uid=3737720&uid=4&sid=47698971872807}
3) Scrapie is generally transmitted from an infected scrapie positive mother to it’s offspring via birthing fluids. Yet the 13-year old pregnant mother of the alleged positive was healthy (until CFIA killed her). She tested negative for scrapie. {http://shropshiresheep.org/2012/04/28/cfia-raids-farm-to-seize-and-kill-9-shropshire-sheep/ }
4) The alleged positive was not one of CFIA’s specified high risk genetic cohorts, it was a VRQ/ARQ.
5) CFIA and Jones are engaged in judicial review currently before the courts. CFIA needed a positive to counter that review, and did not have one prior to their alleged positive.
6) A false government document certified that some of Jones’ sheep were “contaminated by scrapie”, 20 days BEFORE the samples were even shipped to the testing lab.{http://shropshiresheep.org/2012/05/01/shepherd-obtains-false-government-document/}
7) CFIA refuses blind third-party testing. Why not have the DNA and obex brain tissue speak for themselves?
I have “no doubt” that this case necessitates third party investigation, after experiencing a history of numerous CFIA errors.”
This issue is about shining a bright light on all questionable, intransigent government tactics and draconian protocol, especially those that are devastating Canada’s dwindling heritage breeds.”
Ms. Jones,
Your go fund me page currently says
“Months later they were discovered on a distant farm, and CFIA killed them and their newborns. All of the the tests cane back negative.”
If it said something like
“Months later they were discovered on a distant farm, and CFIA killed them and their newborns. All of the the tests came back negative. I did have one sheep that died on my farm that tested positive for scrapie. However, I do not have confidence in the accuracy of the CFIA’s results. Even though the CFIA lab is an OIE reference lab recognized for its testing accuracy, i think there may be a manufactured result.”
you would bring my interest in commenting to a quick stop.
My preference to remain anonymous in comment sections seems prudent given all the talk of blood of patriots and people not supporting you deserving the same fate as your sheep.
Given your discomfort with anonymous participation on the internet, will you give all of the anonymous donations to your go fund me campaign to a registered Canadian charity?
Now that you have exceeded your original fundraising goal of $50,000 and your second fundraising goal of $100,000 (which is what you said your legal fees would be), you might be able to ease up on the fundraising habit.
Thank-you all for your continued interest and support…to clear up some misinformation “Hogtown” is posting, I had made an application for a judicial review to halt the CFIA destruction order on the grounds that CFIA had never found any sheep on my farm to be positive for scrapie. They needed a positive in order to get it thrown out of court. VOILA! They had one one an older ewe died from toxemia…she was pining and had stopped eating since she missed her sister who was one of the ones that disappeared, and metabolic and nutrionial problems resulted. An excerpt regarding the real reason that ewe died:
“Vet agreed scrapie unlikely…
“The ewe they say was positive died of a pregnancy related illness, but it was CFIA’s first opportunity to get a mature head to test.” said Jones. “It was a sheep that was not actually on the CFIA destruction order…a VRQ genotype they say is not susceptible to scrapie.”
Jones said the CFIA vet in charge of the case had examined the ewe the day before it died. “Dr. Douglas MacLeod said she was in very good body condition, with no signs nor symptoms of scrapie, no tremors, no unusual gait, no teeth grinding, no neurological dysfunction, no rubbing, no scratching, no wool loss, no puritic behaviour, no ataxia. He agreed with me that she likely had toxemia, but did not offer treatment.”
“I told him she was going to die, that I thought I caught her toxemia too late…and could he please euthanize her and write up an order for her and thus I would at least get compensation and he would have the head and obex brain tissue to test,” said Jones.
“He said no. He would only do that with an animal that was symptomatic for scrapie and he said she was not, that she looked ‘very comfortable’.”
“The next morning she was dead, and her lambs stillborn. So CFIA now have their scapesheep.” said Jones.”
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***Postscript: I have never received any apology nor any compensation whatsover from CFIA for their killing of my healthy rare flock…they are responsible for killing over 70 to date. Not 41.***
False government documents claimed my sheep had scrapie WEEKS before they were even tested. Then the actual tests came back negative…but the positive documents were out there. http://shropshiresheep.org/2012/05/01/shepherd-obtains-false-government-document/
I have zero faith in our agricultural government policies and have seen far too many incompetencies by the CFIA, in my case alone. My heritage sheep did not have to die to prove they were healthy.
It’s not incompetency. It’s intentional. The shift in policy making worldwide in agribusiness has been towards corporate control over all agribusiness, lock stock and barrel (no pun intended). Much like how the language regarding political dissent has been shifted into the arena of mental health, agribusiness is going to be discussed in terms of public health via a series of health scares relating to food distribution. Once they heighten the public’s awareness of “potential health issues” they then use that as a vehicle to force private, independant farmers like yourself out of business claiming that you’re a threat to public health. My guess would be that you’re being targeted specifically for the genetics of the animals you’re breeding. You may have noticed that it’s been corporate agribusiness’ policy to work towards complete consolidation and control of seed breeding stock, why should animals be any different? You have something that’s a threat to their goal and their trying to take you off the chess board.
Mighty Dreadnaut
You are much closer to the truth than you know
The scope of what has been done already in the food chain is difficult to comprehend as it is so huge .
When the frankenfish is accepted by the F.D.A. then ownership of dna will be wide open .Ownership of cell structure is actually already there , and then we have the seed story all over again except that the courts have accepted ownership of genetically altered seeds .
There is more than 30 new (animals) ready for the market place
If you want to study dna ownership a good place to start is the Gift 1 and the Gift 2 tilapia (the second most cultivated fish for food in the world )
When you track the company,s ,associations and groups involved you will be amazed at where it leads
you .
Of course this is under the guise of feeding the world ,and stopping starvation
Have a great day
David Jones
Hello David and thank-you for offering even more insight re the salmon altering. I’d like to hear more about your situation with them…sounds familiar. Feel free to email me at farm@shropshiresheep.com .
goodmorning all,to mighty dreadnaut,to let you know,the cfia ,health Canada, and public health have amalgamated with ms rona ambrose as minister of all three.as the picture starts to come clearer eh? I thought it provocative that since former prime minister jean chretien set up the cfia in 1997 not one appointed for 5 years boss has stayed for the full term. such a cut and run history eh?to harry hogtown,my o my harry do you drive with bald tires in winter and as your vehicle is catapulted into the ravine do you then break the law using your cellphone to call a tire shop to demand immediate service and if you live do you then sue the tire co for untimely service?apparently so with your unfair treatment of the facts facing you.
Gail Bekker,
With all due respect, I have no idea what you trying to say with your analogy.
My main point is simple. To say scrapie was not found in any of the sheep ordered destroyed but remain silent in the fundraising appeal about the fact that that a sheep that died on the Jones farm tested positive scrapie is disingenuous.
For me, there would be greater credibility if the positive case was acknowledged along with whatever reservations Ms. Jones may have about the reliability of the CFIA’s testing. I suspect that fundraising based having one confirmed scrapie case may not be as effective as painting a picture of complete freedom from the disease.
Had a quick look into Scrapie on Wikipedia to inform mysef a bit on the disease. They say it appears in animals from 3 to 5 years old normally Unfortunately the report says the sheep found with Scrapie was sold some years after but not how many years but you would have thought when the jackboots came calling they might have taken into account the other sheep showed no outward sign of Scrapie I also learned this which might help fight the case for destroying her whole flock. “A test performed by sampling a small amount of lymphatic tissue from the third eyelid is now available ” Wikipedia. So why was this not an option for the testing of the healthy sheep. Hope she wins. Many governments across the planet are supporting this kind of this kind of brutal behaviour.
You seem to be ignoring the facts I posted. There has been no proof of scrapie on my farm. Were you able to read the links and info I posted below on this subject? Are you a Canadian government employee? Believe and spread whatever propaganda you will. There are several live tests available…none were used. All killed for nothing and tested, all found free of scrapie.
Ms. Jones,
I did respond to your version of the facts but for some reason the comments having been waiting moderator approval for a couple of days.
I agree that none of the animals ordered destroyed tested positive for scrapie but you are still trying to create the impression that there have not been any scrapie cases on your farm and that is not true.
The fact that you are asking for third party retesting of the sample that reported positive re-enforces the fact that there was a case on your farm as you dd not ask for retesting of all of the negative results.
Congratulations on your win in court yesterday. Hopefully you will continue to praise the virtues of Canada’s judicial system regardless of the content of the rulings as your case proceeds.
With all due respect Hogtown, you are still ignoring my response and speculating. No, I do not have any proof there was ever any scrapie found on my farm. One hundred per cent certain. One thousand per cent. I can see by your posts you have no knowledge of farming, agriculture, science or animal husbandry and are going by government issued press releases. Not interested in debating truth with one who so blindly believes such propaganda with no basis in fact. Have a nice day.
Ms. Jones,
It is possible to have knowledge of agriculture and still disagree with your position. They are not mutually exclusive concepts.
I wasn’t trying to debate the truth. It is pretty clear that you are operating from your own sets of facts when a scrapie positive result from the obex of a sheep that died on your farm is dismissed as propaganda.
Maybe people would still give you money out of sympathy for the tough break of having scrapie on your farm but I completely understand not wanting to jeopardize a storyline that has been so effective in bringing in money.
Part of me admires how skilful your fundraising efforts are but then I’m also somewhat impressed with the money making skills of Section 419 operators.
Anyway, it will be interesting to see how the court proceedings turn out. I hope that regardless of the outcome you are able to accept those findings as truthful when the time comes.
Disagreement and legal dissent is always welcome in a progressive society .
As a individual who owned a private Canadian certified Drinking Water lab and having done international testing
I know that what is reported to the public is not always what happens in the lab .
and as far as the judicial system is concerned ,there is great concern.
One example. (I have many)
The judge rules that I did not prove that I was a laboratory ,what is interesting about that is that in this country
guilt must be proven not innocence ,there was never a question made about being a lab so there was nothing to
defend . The ironic thing about this is that having been in charge of the City of Moncton Drinking water testing
and of training city staff (for many years ) that a judge would rule this, especially when in this so called law there
is no definition of laboratory thus making it ambiguous ,thus must be ruled for the defendant
So what all this means is that I do not take face value when a private corporate political organization with vested interests states information that is not made fully public .( oh and harry I will not explain this statement to you in this forum ,This will be done in another forum )
One thing that some people seem to miss is that Montana already lost because there is no compensation that will bring back her sheep ,there is no compensation that can pay for waking up in the middle of the night in terror , but she can possibly win the rights for other people which then would be a win of such
proportion that maybe Montana and her sheep can have a peaceful sleep and be able to think of the fun times
that life can give you .
David Jones thank you so much for all of the sensitive, insightful and informed comments you’ve offered on this issue. I’ve found just a surface reporting online of some of what you are going through with our government as well, so realize that you have a far deeper understanding of the how deep the corruption and lies go.
I’m seeing it first hand. Now the CFIA is killing pet goats here in Nippissing Ontario on suspicion of scrapie. Of course, all animals have been found healthy and disease free…after CFIA destroys them. No apology or explanation to the 8 year olds who just just saw their best 4 legged friend murdered needlessy by CFIA, the government body who is “protecting us”. No mention of the trauma they cause to thousands of people.
It’s got to stop. Your encouragement, along with the thousands of others who are supporting my fight for whats right, is helping me stay strong. Thank-you all…and David I hope your case can be made public and heard world wide! Perhaps I could help?
you for real?
Until the jack booted thugs stamp on your head you will never understand the anguish this lady has suffered, years of caring and clearly love for the animals is hard to put into words. The farm I now have suffered a similar fate, west cairns Scotland UK. An old lady and her daughter raised a small flock of sheep and like this lady they spent many a heart breaking moment caring for what they looked upon as their family, foot and mouth reared its ugly head in the area and even though her animals where healthy the government ordered them destroyed, rather than loose their family they fought back by barricading the old lady and sheep in the house and the young daughter took to the woods with a air gun in the hope of deterring the what they classed as unwanted invaders . End result they shot the girl in the stomach then slaughtered the sheep and the old lady died a few years later of a broken heart. Now you can understand the need for eradicating such a disease but not in a jackbooted manner. Alas we now live in a throw away world and that includes the right to live for all species
James smith
West cairns farm
Kirknewton Scotland
Montana
hi ya
sent two emails to the sheep place but came back undeliverable
David Jones
might have to try snail mail ,did leave a message at your lawyers a while back
Hi David, I just tested farm@shropshiresheep.org and it works fine, and so does montana@wholearth.com. Give it another try! 🙂
I feel sorry for your situation, but also believe you brought it on yourself and find it amusing you have the nerve to ask others to help pay for your mistakes.
I agree with Harry Hogtown, that you are operating on your own set of facts. Even if you weren’t, the rules are in place to protect the general public.
That being said, it is sad that the animals have to be destroyed but in these kind of cases, its better safe (destroy) than sorry (even a slight chance). If there is even the remotes chance of disease, they have to be destroyed. If you don’t like the rules governing and protecting others in cases like this, move to a country with no laws and protection.
You knew what was what was asked, and why, yet you decided to go against the law, and now want others to pay you for it?
Its like you have blinders on and can only see what you want, with no concern for other people, people the rules are in place to protect.
You chose to go against rules set in place. You knowingly did this. You are like anyone else who breaks the law.
An example could be someone caught speeding. Their defense could be that their radar detector wasn’t working so didn’t warn them about a speed trap. They knowingly broke the rules set out to protect others. They blame the cops, the government, whatever, ANYONE but themselves for their own stupidity, and expect others to pay their court costs and fines? Ridicules, right? This is exactly what you sound like.
Will be interesting to see how it plays out in court. I would imagine that unless you get your way, (which I highly doubt) you will deem it a conspiracy instead of realizing and admitting you broke the law.
I don`t know how you interpret how selling a sheep many years earlier which developed scarpie without her knowledge was some willful breaking of the law. Evidently there is a test for scarpie that I see mentioned on Wikipedia for scarpie that says”A test performed by sampling a small amount of lymphatic tissue from the third eyelid is now available. http://cvi.asm.org/content/9/5/966.long
With such a lag time before scarpie was detected in the one sold sheep that developed the disease not under this ladies control, that possibly could have been infected by another flock, was it really necessary to slaughter her flock without maybe pursuing the above mentioned approach. If you are such a big fan of jack booted bureaucrats and a big out of control fascist government then maybe you should go live across the southern border of your country.
Peter, (according to the article), she is not being charged for selling a sheep years ago, she is not being charged with having sick sheep. She is charged with knowingly breaking the law very recently.
She knew she was breaking the law. She knew her sheep were quarantined, yet she decided to break the law and hide them on a different farm.
This would have cost both you and I (and other law abiding Canadians) a lot of extra expense to track them down. Taking months as stated. And now she wants still more people (including you and I) to pay her legal fees because she knowingly did this?
This lady knew the law against transporting quarantined animals elsewhere, yet chose to do so. Nothing to do with any charges about selling a sheep years ago.
If even the remotest chance there is a disease, of any kind, it is far better to destroy the animals than to have it spread. This is for the protection of the multitude. Even one contaminated animal can cause a disaster for several thousand others. This is not a light matter. Even the hint of a problem demands immediate action.
I feel sorry she lost her sheep, especially heritage sheep.
I would feel much worse if they had not destroyed her sheep and it was found out later that even one had affected thousands of animals, and thousands had to be destroyed, with hundreds of sheep farmers loosing their livelihood. Precaution is a good thing. I am thankful I live in a country that takes such precautions.
Harry Hogtown, you have brought up researched information and press releases, that shed a much different light on the situation than was released in this article. Thank you for your input. Always two sides to every story. I do think though that you are talking to the wind, your voice of reason is being wasted here. As is mine. This will be my last post concerning this subject, I have much more important things to concern myself with.
I have been quite amused at the radical and actually quite comical comments by several on this blog “jack booted bureaucrats and a big out of control fascist government”, ” jack booted thugs”, “Are you a Canadian government employee? Believe and spread whatever propaganda you will” (posted by Montana herself to someone who disagreed with her)
“Why didn’t she arm herself and others and fight to the death?” Really?? “government gangsters “, “heavy handed American government facists”.
Bottom line people is: she knowingly broke the laws put in place to protect us. Regardless of whether her animals tested positive or not, she broke the law, cost us taxpayers a lot of money, and now is trying to get thousands and thousands of dollars from us to pay her legal bills or whatever else she decides to spend it on.
Life is not fair all the time, many people have far worse devastating things happening in their lives that they have no control over. Move on.
Donna in this country we are innocent until guilt is proven. How can you spout I “hid the sheep on another farm.” Were you here? No, you are purely speculating and spreading untruths to fit your fears. Which, by the way, are unfounded.
I’ve been through a particular kind of hell, and yes, I am the first to say there are far worse things. One of them is believing that the governent exists solely to protect you. Your belief, and the Harrys etc holding on to that imagined ideal — is far, far more dangerous. In fact, it turns out that one of the people posting particularly unkind comments has made up a false name, and their IP address is none other than at CFIA, Agriculture Food Canada in Ottawa. My, my, my— a government employee spending our tax dollars surfing chat boards at work, and posting personal prejudiced views that they are surely not allowed or permitted to be airing, under the circumstances.
I don’t expect a response as you claim you are done wasting your time here…best you carry on and imagine you are in good safe hands until the corruption lands on your doorstep. Hope you are able to see the light before that happens to you…I sure wasn’t ready for it. Now please excuse me while I continue trying to mend the shattered pieces of my good and peaceful life, to some semblance of what it was before CFIA’s destruction.
to quote donna “if even the remotest chance of disease,of any kind, it is far better to destroy the animals than have it spread.tell your story to the office of the commissioner of aquaculture.yves bastien, eric gilbert, stephen lanteigne,david conley,ken taylor.your argument about the protection of the multitudes is where we all were,are in our misinformed yesterdays news minds while Canada has made the coporation a person.do not forget in your home you were,are?allowed to save your own life by any and all means,so may the coporation.stunning how that reality taints every aspect of comfort or safety we citizens have ever experienced.having said that many many citizens paid by our government are now working ONLY for coporate enhancement . how about you donna?the same government that now allows their staff to conduct these “social innovations experimentally” interestlingly seems to have plenty o budget for these activities.
how is it that elite racehorse sperm is so extremely valuable?how is it that the rare breed survival trust includes shropshire sheep in their genetics collection?hmmm what exactly are canadas genome laboratories storing original genetics for?could it be that the future of industrially manufactured food like products looks very bright indeed. in business taking out small citizens from their legally obtained original genetics rights via the endless government coporate enhancement portal has to be fought, has to be stood up for despite how unnerving the topic.when I consider that the trans Canada highway was built for in real money and the value of that same money today,150,000 in legal fees is a very very commited to the letter of the law lawyer and we citizens are grateful on behalf of all that entails.keep in mind the Moncton court judge Jolene Richard {aka mrs dominic leblanc] found fishman david jones guilty without evidence on a charge that there was no basis in law to convict him on.harry and donna did you read judge george rideout granted fishman david jones appeal.then did you both happen to notice judge Irwin lampert WITHDREW the charge.no trial for fishman jones to submit his hard evidence on what happened.it is not apparently in the office of the commissioner of aquacultures interest to comment on fishman jones case and yet it is stephen lanteignes and always has been his job to assist legally correct fishman jones.eric gilbert is the commissioner of freshwater species and treats fishman jones in such a biased untoward manner.why ?
has anyone read the animal pedigree act?makes for interesting timing on shepard montannas and fishman jones constructed demise and im thinking it must be pretty relevant to have circumvented justice in the fishman jones wrongful conviction.have a look at the members of the wrongful conviction committee for the country of Canada.then keep in mind marie claude blais was minister of justice and attorney general in new Brunswick during the intentional destruction of david jones…jean Michel blais deals with wrongful convictions and so does Suzanne Crawford.maybe they can help.
wow pretty interesting,i understand fishman jones contacted lawyer susan Crawford national wrongful conviction representative for new Brunswick.i understand she sent him to another lawyer who didn’t know anything what so ever about wrongful convictions?ive apparently misunderstood what the wrongful convictions conviction committee exixts for.apologies.you have to wonder exactly what has changed since anne derricks work on the Donald marshall wrongful conviction and all the educated sincere people who worked so long on ensuring these racist types don’t get away with their dirty bias..also, I understand today,july 17 2014 a female from human rights new Brunswick telephoned fishman jones and was nasty angry and with raised voice offered him no civility no direction dirty dirty racists, this of course after contacting them and waiting an unreasonable amount of time with no contacting him back without prompting from fishman jones to contact with direction.is the human rights department of new Brunswick staffed with patronage appointments who are unable to even be civil to enquiries of a human rights nature?
Not only should the laws be changed, but full compensation PLUS large penalties should be paid to Montana Jones. Then criminal charges and penalties/prison terms for those guilty of this crime. These people, the criminals who did this, seem to have forgot, they are our employees, NOT OUR BOSSES!
What a terrible story. It would have been so easy to have these sheep tested. A great injustice has been done to this woman. This is a worthy cause I hope you are successful in your fight.
People say Americans are paranoid when we say that governments are trying to stamp out any food sources they don’t have complete control of.